Judder when pulling away in first gear on cold mornings

[mhurer]

I've had an 58 plate 2.0 TDI S-line manual for 2 months now.

Not sure if it is my driving style or a problem with the car but it suffers from clutch judder when pulling away in 1st gear first thing in the morning, and this continues for the first couple of miles until the car warms up.

Only way to stop it is to ride the clutch and use high revs. Is this normal?

[magt1000]

Flywheel problem?

[markp306]

Yes, I get the same symptom - 143SE with average mileage.

I'm not sure what is going on, but it is more consistent in the cold weather. Incidentally, I also first experienced this issue in a traffic jam on a particularly hot day last summer, so could be extremes of temperature?

Camberley Audi and my wife conveniently haven't been able to recreate the problem, so they must slip the clutch with higher revs than me? Thanks for clearing that one up!

But, inconveniently, the car is now out of warranty although the problem is logged on Audi UK's systems for future reference should something fail and turn out not to be wear and tear. Audi "want a signature" for 3 hours labour to inspect, but they want to recreate the issue first. (I guess that makes sense though).

Reading previous threads, I think other B8 drivers have had better luck with their garage just getting on with it and swapping parts.

[mhurer]

Thanks for the reply - glad to hear it's not just me.

Not sure if there is an inherent fault or the fact it was a little warmer this morning, but i also modified my driving style this morning by letting the clutch up slower in combination with a few extra revs, and didn't have the problem. One time I could feel it about to judder so I just dipped the clutch a bit and let it up a bit slower. Could be my driving style needs to change to accomodate the characteristics of the car.

This was originally my wife's company car and I bought it last month from the lease company, with 30k on the clock. I rarely drove it but my wife mentioned she had the problem initially and it just took her a little while to adapt her driving style as well.

I remember having a similar problem when I changed from my petrol passat to a diesel passat.

Hoping it's just a case of me getting used to the car rather than some sort of problem.

[MFGF]

My previous A6 2.0TDi and my current A6 2.0TDi have this issue occasionally - usually on cold wet winter mornings. I suspect it is condensation on the clutch/flywheel - it clears up as the car begins to warm up. I have never been able to demonstrate it to the dealer as it has stopped juddering within the first mile or two. Either I am very, very unlucky in getting two cars (with different engines) with the same mysteriously disappearing occasional fault, or else it is just a feature of the particular design.

Cheers!

MF.

[jakerade]

I have had a new clutch and flywheel and it doesnt feel much better than the original one! I have also queried why the clutch sits higher than the brake pedal and have been told this is normal

This might sound a little weird, but the clutch pedal set-up is pretty unergonomic and have found that the pedal is being operated by the middle of my shoe rather than the tip which give poorer feel and more of a juddering sensation so have recently adjusted my seating position to try and counter act.

As an aside i have also looked at the way I walk (I know this sounds strange) and since I have have had the B8 (3 and a bit years), my right foot is out to right slightly which is obviously a side effect of the stupid off set driving position and effectively rolling my foot to use the accelerator. I am not sure I can claim that under warranty?

[Bratty]

I just thought it was one of the idiosyncraceis of a Dual-Mass Flywheel? It like it needs to get into its stride and balance the forces that are being generated before settling down?

Mine would do it (Sometimes!) But only briefly as the OP stated on first starting up and driving off!

Dunk

[John140]

My old B7 A4 2.o TDI did this on cold mornings all of its life, my current B8 2.0 TDI isn't as bad but will do it for the first couple of gearchanges on a cold damp morning if the car hasnt been used for a day or so. I would suspect that if it clears up after you have pulled away say twice there is nothing to worry about, just condensation.

[Mickyd98]

I'v been having the same issue with my 2008 A4 (143 TDI SE - 74k miles) since I got it a few months back. Its Damn annoying for the first couple of miles. The emission control light came on today so plugged in the vag-com and I've an error message P2103 and P2102 Throttle Valve Actuator Module. Could this be related??

I'm planning to do a clean and throttle body adaptation in the next week or so to see if this helps? I'm thinking if throttle flap is "sticky" first thing this is causing the problem? Thoughts?? I'll let you know how I get on!

[mhurer]

Hi. I've just got this code (P2102) as well and was wondering how you solved the problem.