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    Hi to all

    I am looking at buying an Audi as above from a friend,and when pulling up at junctions,in drive or in sport,when you put your foot down to pull away,their is a delay and then a kick up the ars. not a big kick, Does this mean that the gear box is on its way out and I will have an exspensive bill or is this just wear and tear.
     
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    Mine does this and my understanding is they all do. It's a characteristic of the DSG box and I think you just have to live with it. Apart from that, I think the DSG/S-tronic is fantastic. If anyone else knows of a fix, I'd be very keen to know!
     
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    Confirmed. I've had a 1.8 tfsi s-tronic from new, now 2.5 years old. It has done exactly as you describe since I drove it away from the showroom. I've asked Audi Camberley to check it twice now, and they say it's normal. Otherwise I find the 7 speed s-tronic to be a great gearbox.
     
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    If in D reset the dsg basic settings and increase the idle speed in address 01 as this may resolve the delay

    Remember though selecting S changes the mapping of the gear change and throttle response
    vag diagnostics, retrofits and general repairs
     
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    Thanks for the replies, It`s good to know that it`s normal and not a problem.
     
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    Good luck with your buy, (whatever you decide), Karen!

    A8 tech, many thanks for your suggestion. I’m a bit confused (that’s not unusual), because a certain motoring columnist says that the delay is caused by protective software delaying the message from brake switch to ECU that the brakes have been released. If this is the case, (and I know one shouldn’t believe everything one reads in the papers), then presumably raising the idle speed won’t help.

    But presumably you’ve actually tried the procedure of raising the idle speed and found it does help? Difficult to be sure, perhaps, because I find the scale of the delay is unpredictable, (and my wife, who’s car it is, doesn’t seem to have any bother at all!)
     
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    basic setting will reset the clutch kiss point and make it sharper, this is done via vas or vcds but it may also highlight a worn clutch pack

    the delay should be milliseconds and unnoticed
    Drive-away
    When starting from a stop, the clutch is controlled
    according to engine speed. Depending on the driveaway
    characteristic, the gearbox control unit
    computes an engine nominal speed which is set
    via the clutch torque.
    The driver input as well as the torque curve of
    the various engine variants define the drive-away
    characteristic.
    Power flow transition (overlap)
    The gearshift involves two functions:
    1. Engagement of gears in part-gearbox 1
    and/or part-gearbox 2 by means of hydraulically
    actuated shift forks.
    2. Power flow transition between part-gearbox 1
    and part-gearbox 2 by means of clutches K1
    and K2
    The power flow transition (first to sixth gear) is
    implemented by means of so-called overlapping
    shifting between clutches K1 and K2. This means
    that, during the power flow transition, the powertransmitting
    clutch (K1 in this example) remains
    capable of transmitting torque at a reduced
    pressure until the engine torque is transmitted
    to the engaging clutch (K2 in this example).
    The gearshift is assisted by a temporary
    reduction in engine torque during upshifts
    (refer to illustration), or by a temporary increase
    in engine torque during downshifts.
    When starting from a stop at a low throttle position
    (e.g. 60 %), engine speed is increased at a low level
    up to the next clutch engagement point.
    When starting from a stop at a high throttle position
    (e.g. 100 %), the engine speed is increased at a
    higher level up to the clutch engagement point.


    but without going to deep i would suggest the oil and filter is changed followed by the basic setting test drive to ensure good maintenance as this will do no harm and may resolve your issue

    consider this but need full details ie engine code and year

    A3 2.0TDI with 6 speed DSG gearbox:
    - poor accelerator response
    - delayed power transmission
    - erratic acceleration
    - jerky gear changes
    During the test drive it appears that the power is suddenly transmitted one or two seconds after accelerating.

    Technical background
    The pulling away clutch of the DSG closes when the brakes are released and is therefore under load. The delayed power transmission is caused by a late and then sudden boost pressure build-up.



    Visual check of the turbo charger. Make sure that the stud with clamp nut is on the turbo charger.


    If the stud or clamp nut is missing, replace the turbo charger


    I advise basic setting suggestion and oil and filter change, if you read the description below it will make some sense


    Clutch control adaptation

    Comfortable clutch operation must be maintained
    in all operating states and throughout the useful life
    of the clutch.
    For this purpose, the relationship between clutch
    valve control current and clutch torque is subject to
    continuous updating.
    This process of updating is necessary since the
    friction coefficients of the clutches are continuously
    variable.
    The coefficient of friction is dependent on the
    following continuously variable factors:
    – ATF (quality, ageing, wear)
    – Oil temperature
    – Clutch temperature
    – Clutch slip
    To compensate for these influences, the
    relationship between control current and
    clutch torque is determined in various
    driving conditions, e.g. under microslip,
    and stored.

    in doing this you delete the learnt values and return the values to new but this should only be done when either the mechatronics or clutch pack is replaced but it can be done to fine tune but it can cause premature ageing of the clutch wear index

    you are now more informed than your article you read hopefully
    vag diagnostics, retrofits and general repairs
     
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    Many thanks again, a8 tech. Wow! That’s certainly a lot of information. My small brain is struggling to comprehend it all, but each time I read it through, it makes more sense. Give me time and I’ll get there!

    If it was my regular car, and if I had ready access to VCDS, I would try your suggestions, but I can already hear my other half screaming that I’ve interfered with something that, as far as she’s concerned, "ain’t broke".

    Perhaps others will be moved to have a go, and post their findings - I’d be very interested to hear other people’s comments.
     
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    Ive not long had my May 2011 S3 s-tronic (7k miles) and have an intermitent slight judering when in D. This only appears from 3rd to 6th gear and the best way to describe it, is that it feels like a fuel problem or even as if the turbo wastegate is giving a bit. Hope it makes sense...!!!

    Its been back to Audi and they could not find anything, and of course I took a tech out to show him the problem but it never showed.

    Any help would be great and even though Ive read through all this I feel its not the clutch...

    Thanks
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by a8 tech View Post
    basic setting will reset the clutch kiss point and make it sharper, this is done via vas or vcds but it may also highlight a worn clutch pack

    the delay should be milliseconds and unnoticed
    Drive-away
    When starting from a stop, the clutch is controlled
    according to engine speed. Depending on the driveaway
    characteristic, the gearbox control unit
    computes an engine nominal speed which is set
    via the clutch torque.
    The driver input as well as the torque curve of
    the various engine variants define the drive-away
    characteristic.
    Power flow transition (overlap)
    The gearshift involves two functions:
    1. Engagement of gears in part-gearbox 1
    and/or part-gearbox 2 by means of hydraulically
    actuated shift forks.
    2. Power flow transition between part-gearbox 1
    and part-gearbox 2 by means of clutches K1
    and K2
    The power flow transition (first to sixth gear) is
    implemented by means of so-called overlapping
    shifting between clutches K1 and K2. This means
    that, during the power flow transition, the powertransmitting
    clutch (K1 in this example) remains
    capable of transmitting torque at a reduced
    pressure until the engine torque is transmitted
    to the engaging clutch (K2 in this example).
    The gearshift is assisted by a temporary
    reduction in engine torque during upshifts
    (refer to illustration), or by a temporary increase
    in engine torque during downshifts.
    When starting from a stop at a low throttle position
    (e.g. 60 %), engine speed is increased at a low level
    up to the next clutch engagement point.
    When starting from a stop at a high throttle position
    (e.g. 100 %), the engine speed is increased at a
    higher level up to the clutch engagement point.


    but without going to deep i would suggest the oil and filter is changed followed by the basic setting test drive to ensure good maintenance as this will do no harm and may resolve your issue

    consider this but need full details ie engine code and year

    A3 2.0TDI with 6 speed DSG gearbox:
    - poor accelerator response
    - delayed power transmission
    - erratic acceleration
    - jerky gear changes
    During the test drive it appears that the power is suddenly transmitted one or two seconds after accelerating.

    Technical background
    The pulling away clutch of the DSG closes when the brakes are released and is therefore under load. The delayed power transmission is caused by a late and then sudden boost pressure build-up.



    Visual check of the turbo charger. Make sure that the stud with clamp nut is on the turbo charger.


    If the stud or clamp nut is missing, replace the turbo charger


    I advise basic setting suggestion and oil and filter change, if you read the description below it will make some sense


    Clutch control adaptation

    Comfortable clutch operation must be maintained
    in all operating states and throughout the useful life
    of the clutch.
    For this purpose, the relationship between clutch
    valve control current and clutch torque is subject to
    continuous updating.
    This process of updating is necessary since the
    friction coefficients of the clutches are continuously
    variable.
    The coefficient of friction is dependent on the
    following continuously variable factors:
    – ATF (quality, ageing, wear)
    – Oil temperature
    – Clutch temperature
    – Clutch slip
    To compensate for these influences, the
    relationship between control current and
    clutch torque is determined in various
    driving conditions, e.g. under microslip,
    and stored.

    in doing this you delete the learnt values and return the values to new but this should only be done when either the mechatronics or clutch pack is replaced but it can be done to fine tune but it can cause premature ageing of the clutch wear index

    you are now more informed than your article you read hopefully

    Hello i have a q5 3.0tdi stronic

    I have experienced twice (both on left hand turns?) a warning saying gearbox malfunction. Vcds reports error code - circa - torque reduced due to high temperature.

    I have had the stronic oil changed, but the error was again reported after this. It seems that the car drives fine save for the message flashing up.

    I have read that resetting the 'basic settings' to factory defaults for the gearbox may help

    Is this likely to help and if so could you tell me the procedure necessary to do this? I have seen the procedure set out for the 6 speed dsg, but presume this may be different.

    Many thanks for any help

    Regards mark
     
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