1.9 tdi v 2.4 witch is best

[minty0_10]

2.4,s seem to fetch less money whats the pros and cons of these engines around 98 models?
is the 2.4 a 5 cylinder?

[Crasher]

The 2.4 AJA 75PS 5 cylinder is quite sluggish (as is the AAB) and rough plus it is quite costly to maintain. The ABL (68PS) 1.9 TD or earlier 1X (60PS) are also quite slow and rough, the 1.9 1X and ABL are not TDI’s, they are indirect injection, just diesels with a VEP (VerteilrEinspritzPumpe) pump.

[minty0_10]

wow now im even more confused with all the letters and numbers

so i guess my best bet is to go for the newest t4 1.9 tdi i can aford?

[Crasher]

There never was a 1.9 TDI (Turbo Direct Injection) T4, the only 1.9 diesel engines used in the T4 were the 1X up to 1996 and the ABL from 96 up to mid 2003 and these were both indirect injection diesel engines so known as a 1.9D (1X) or 1.9TD (ABL) not 1.9 TDI. The first 1.9 TDI Transporter was the 2003 T5 with the AXB and AXC engines.

[minty0_10]

so what your saying his there no such model as a t4 tdi pre 2003?
how come theres a few tdi,s for sale on ebay from 97 onwards

[Crasher]

There are 2.5 5 cylinder TDI’s but all 1.9 and 2.4 diesels were indirect injection so 1.9TD or 2.4D. The first T4 TDI was the 102PS 2.5 TDI ACV engine from 9/95. Give me the reg number of some of these advertised vehicles and I will tell you what engine they have.

[minty0_10]

these are a few ive been looking at all advertised as 1.9td
x389 acy
r118 kru
v889 ngf
r462 emx

[Crasher]

X389 ACY, not a good number.

R118 KRU, 98 model registered 01/08/97 with an ABL engine.

V889 NGF, 2000 model registered 18/02/2000 with an ABL engine.

R462 EMX, 98 model registered 04/12/97 with an ABL engine.

The ABL is a 68PS 1.9 non intercooled indirect injection turbo diesel, a 1.9TD, not a TDI.

[minty0_10]

mavuless thanks for clearing that up.
so best wait for one of these and avoid the 2.4

[Crasher]

The 2.5 TDI is nice but expensive to fix.

[minty0_10]

and out of my budget, lot of these vans seem to have done around 200k i guess that shouldent be a problem if they drive ok.
i have a 97 passat 110 with 300k on the clock witch still go,s like stink (pulls better than my passat 130 tdi)

[minty0_10]

what sort of miles are the 2.5,s good for? ive seen what looks like a cheap 2.5 with 240k on the clock add also says it has a slight knock when changing into 2nd gear, what's this likely to be? and how much to fix?

[Crasher]

Early non roller lifter models (AFB for example) are prone to cam failure, (extraordinarily expensive to fix if it damages the valves) and the turbo’s fail. Injection pumps fail. Great engine through.

[minty0_10]

bloody hell think you just put an end to that for me.
what years are the early ones? i guess the t4 models?

[Crasher]

T4? Tis not a van!

[minty0_10]

eh what is it then god this is getting confusing :o thats what i was told by somone on this forum.
maybe i should stick with a transit :Blush:

[Crasher]

Ahh yes, tis a van section! Ignore all I said before. With you pic I thought it was a Passat you were looking at. The 2.4 van (T4) is reliable but ohh so slow. Timing belts /water pumps/tensioners are an issue.

[minty0_10]

the 1.9td are they really that bad at pulling/power wise im suposed to be going to view a p reg one tomorrow.
going to use it for carring a motor bike mainly but will use it to pull a car and trailer from time to time, is it going to be able to do this you think?

[Crasher]

As long as it is a TD not a D (ABL not 1X) then they are just about adequate.

[minty0_10]

this is the one im having a look at

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=130276678949&Category=108851&_trksid=p3907.m29&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26its%3DI%26otn%3D2

unusual to see a red one i thought, most seem to be white or blue not that the colour maters.
he,s asking £1500

[Crasher]

A 97 model T4 registered November 96 and with the 68PS ABL TD engine

[C.A.S Recovery]

If i were you i would forget the 1.9 or 2.4 range of T4 vans and just buy a good 2.5 TDI as i did. I run a breakdown and recovery company and have owned most vans at some time in my life from the humble Bedford HA to the newer Merc Transits Ivecos etc etc. Out of the all the best van i have owned is the ex AA patrol van i use every day its a 2001 X reg 2.5 Tdi. It will do between 35 and 40 mpg on a run has loads of pulling power is nippy quiet and is not expensive to repair. I have had it 2 years and put 40k on the clock. In that time its had regular servicing a cambelt and diesel pump belt kit. Tyres rear brake pads , 1 outer cv joint and anti roll bar link 2 bottom ball joints and some exhaust parts. All those parts that i changed were due to slight wear or slight noise as i didnt want my breakdown van breaking down. All the parts i removed were original VW parts so had lasted very well. I bought the vehicle off Ebay 2 years ago the bloke i bought it off lived in Wales and delivered it for me and i am on the Suffolk Essex boarders and it only cost him £30 in fuel to get it to me. The engine code on mine is ACV and i have had no complaints at all. Will keep it for years to come yet and strangely if i sold it now would get allmost back what i paid for it 2 years ago. If its good enough for the AA its good enough for any one else. Best of all the 2.5 TDi is faster smoother and better on fuel than the 1.9 and 2.4 versions i have owned before and driven.

[minty0_10]

and a lot more expensive :(

[C.A.S Recovery]

I have seen early 2.5 Tdi T4 vans for sale around £2000. I think the ex AA vans started on a S plate as they came in to replace the Vauxhall brava Patrol vans which i have also owned. There was an early T4 ex AA van on a T plate a few weeks ago on Ebay it made £2500 i seem to remember. But it all depends on your budget though

[cherry evo2]

Don't really agree about the 2.4 being 'oh so slow'! Compared to a Transit DI, they went well plus were so much quieter. I was in my mid 20's when I had my 1st 2.4d van at work, abused the poor things to hell & back, revved it to the limit continually for 140k miles/3 years!!! Okay, when I had the 102tdi in 1998 it was a huge leap forwards, but it had to have a new short motor at 78k because it was knocking - couldn't handle the huge revs like the 2.4!!!! VW dealer used to love me!!!
From a driving perspective, I'd have a 2.4 before a 1.9td anyday, go better, quieter & lovely 5cyl thrum :approve:

[Brian Considine]

Don't really agree about the 2.4 being 'oh so slow'! Compared to a Transit DI, they went well plus were so much quieter. I was in my mid 20's when I had my 1st 2.4d van at work, abused the poor things to hell & back, revved it to the limit continually for 140k miles/3 years!!! Okay, when I had the 102tdi in 1998 it was a huge leap forwards, but it had to have a new short motor at 78k because it was knocking - couldn't handle the huge revs like the 2.4!!!! VW dealer used to love me!!!
From a driving perspective, I'd have a 2.4 before a 1.9td anyday, go better, quieter & lovely 5cyl thrum :approve:

Maybe it could'nt - but then again with the 102 you're wasting your time (& yours/someone else's money) by reving it - with the torque available there is simply no need to rev the b******* of it.

I would be the first to admit driving a vehicle hard (mine or anyone else's) but I don't abuse them.

[minty0_10]

from what ive heard the 2.4 struggles to get above 60 mph?

[Crasher]

No, the 2.4 30v is quite a sprightly engine.

[minty0_10]

would you say its as good as the 19.td?

[Crasher]

Different engines for different types of people, I don’t like diesels so I would have the petrol.

[minty0_10]

that would be a 2.0 then? thats bad enough in the cars

[carbon]

I drive a 96 2.4D for work (AAB engine). It is not as fast at accelerating as the 2.5TDi’s but as it never weighs less than 2.2 tons with the amount equipment in it, that doesn’t bother me. There’s also no problems getting to 70 on motorways, ok long motorway hills may need a change down to fourth to make things easier. It has done around 245,000 miles without any major work on the engine. It still had the original brake discs until the end of last year, and hasn’t cost a lot to maintain it in the last few years. I’ve never driven a 1.9D or TD so can’t really comment on those.

[lostboy]

I drove a 1.9 non turbo t4 on an M plate for 4 years,local work it was A1 reliable,not rough running what so ever,granted it ran out of puff up hills,cruised all day at 75 on the motorways :D but must admit the t5 102 ps 2007 plate I have just bought is in a different world,even better now upped to 135 ps using the excellent I Map mapping equipment.

J