Anyone experienced problems after the emissions scandal recall??

[dn_morgan]

had our golf in recently 2.0 tdi bluemotion match, after having the change to the software on the ecu the car now intermittently misses between 4th and 5th while accelerating. The car has been back to the dealer who couldn't find any codes showing. We are now keeping a log of when it happens and the garage need the car for 3 days to under go more test? Has anyone else experienced any effects or problems after the recall? cheers neil

[turboextreme]

I don't know what your vw dealer has loaded into your ECU as apparently according to My local Vw dealer Murrys Vw there is no software fix as yet for the 2.0 BMT engine only the 1.6 diesel.

[dn_morgan]

thanks for the reply but have a look at this :

http://www.carbuyer.co.uk/news/150583/vw-emissions-scandal-golf-recall-announced

think we had the letter from VW in May, ours was the first 2.0 they had done in the dealer.

[rowdy-999]

Reports of lots of motors running differently/noisier.
General consensus on here is not to get it done.

[dn_morgan]

thanks for the reply

anyone with the same experience with the car missing after the recall? our car is a golf

really starting to consider whether to take my a3 in for the recall now, previous to this the golf hadn't missed a beat

[Guest 2]

My A4 has been fine.

[oldgoat]

My 2010 Golf SE 2.0 has also been fine since the "fix".

[gemma9772]

Hi, I have exactly the same model as you had the reset done in May ever since then have exactly the same issue you've been experiencing, my car is now on its 4th trip back to the VW dealer to try and resolve, every time its handed back to me as no fault is recorded, this time I've told them I don't want it back until its fixed! Have you had your issue resolved as interested to see if it was confirmed by your garage and fixed, as mine is driving me insane.

[turboextreme]

I had my letter back in november for my tiguan 2.0 blue motion i told the dealer that i refuse the recall as i dont want it messed up by the poor excuse of a fix.

[KC2465]

I sent my Passat 2.0 174 in two months ago for the recall re-mapping. Problems from the first day include:- high revving at idle which wont die down until I switch off and re-start the engine, huge increase in general fuel consumption, engine cooling fans coming on in sub zero temps and won't stop. Stop /start no longer works (partly due to the high revving) Car is generally sluggish. I am visiting VW today with the full list and a copy has gone to my solicitor.
If they think this fix is working, why didn't they do it from the beginning?

[gemma9772]

I too have threatened legal action as enough is enough mines been going on since May, now the manager of my VW garage has my car to try and figure out whats going wrong, as far as the computers are concerned there is no fault registering so there is nothing wrong with the car, yet when you drive it there is a huge miss occurring between 4th and 5th gear so it definitely isn't right, I'm so frustrated as the car drove beautifully before this was done. Please keep me posted with any progress you manage to make, I've now refused to have my car back until they sort it.

[orange86]

i have a 2009 golf 2.0 tdi. after reading comments on this thread i wont be sending my car to vw for the fix even though i got the recall letter !

[turboextreme]

Dont Trust Vw to fix your car as there technicians cant diagnose any faults what there computer doesnt tell them. I took my tiguan into vw 6 times for a Egr fault each time i picked it up i was told sorry sir we couldnt find anything wrong. I was then forced to do the replacement myself at my expense Egr cooler £480.

[Dfo01]

Hi, I have had my VW Sirroco Tdi blue motion done, and seem to be getting some of the problems you are having. Stop start not working , cooling fan on all the time and getting an intermittent warning light regarding the engine management. Will be taking it back to the dealer in stockport. Have they resolved your issues yet.

[Dfo01]

Having the same problems with my VW Sirroco. Stop start not working now, fan on all the time when temp is cold, and also eng mamazement warning light on intermittently. I live in Stockport so will be taking back to VW. Have you had any joy with your problems.

[gemma9772]

I now have my car back after VW garage having it for nearly a month, it is now running as it was before the recall reset, apparently they got a new code from the emissions team to run through the car which has fixed whatever bug was in the first software update, they haven't yet given me the details as I have asked for them so I have them for my records! Its taken me since May to get this sorted, 4 trips to the main dealer each time to be told nothing was wrong with the car until I threatened legal action and they've gone out of their way to fix it, full tank of diesel, new mats all round and boot liner and full valet which I wasn't fussed on all of that just wanted my car fixed!! Have driven it loads over the weekend and so far so good!

[roddy22]

Our 2009 Golf 1.6 105hp with 63,000 miles was given the VW recall treatment yesterday. On the 36 mile return journey over varied roads, I could detect no obvious difference at slow speeds or up to 80mph. Pulling power at low revs was, if anything, better. Tickover was the usual 950ish rpm and seemed smoother. It's too soon to confirm consumption figures, but the indicated mpg was similar to "normal" at 53mpg. I was given "compensation for my trouble" in the form of a silly box with VW pen, VW key fob and VW umbrella. I guess the VW garage hopes to catch me as a new customer - sorry, but I'll stick with the competent independents I've used since the car was new.

[Crasher]

I have experienced problems with telling people to ignore it, the heavy hand of doom came down on me.:chairshot

[Keithuk]

I've had 4 letters from VW the last one was before Christmas saying I need to contact my dealer to book it in for the software update. I wanted a couple of parts for the MOT at the end of the month so I went down to ask them about this software update.

Each letter says this software update will not effect the performance or fuel con. Every thread I've read about this software update says the performance is less the fuel con has gone down. I asked if I do have a problem can the original software be put back, they said no, so I said no.

I wanted turn signal indicator right 1K5 949 102 £34.20 and 1 set aerodynamic wiper blades driver and passenger - 1Q1 998 002 - £34.12 for the MOT at the end of the month.

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The LED turn signal indicator is stupid as they don't do a LED bulb replacement you have to buy a new unit. The new one is incorporated into bottom black mirror cover. I believe that's the same for the rear LED fog lamp you have to buy a new unit.

[Andy1832]

My 2010 65,000 mile Golf Plus 1.6Tdi BMT was in for the fix yesterday. Went to collect it and 100 yards from the dealers the amber coil warning light came on and a momentary limp mode set in. Light continued to flash so returned to dealer and after quite a wait they could not replicate the fault but eventually said it was EGR problem which would take 5 hours to fix. Car was left with them and a 2nd courtesy car provided. Got the phone call at 16.45 today to say it was fixed, (so rather more than 5 hours). All very pleasant and lots of apologies and no cost. Took it on a 60 mile trip just to make sure all OK and drove very well, just as normal, but then realised that Stop/Start was not working so a phone call will be required in the morning!
These two issues seem to be cropping up regularly!

[Crasher]

That won't have been anything to do with the software change (yes, maybe the slight extra EGR flow in the update possibly was the straw too far), just a coincidence and it would have happened anyway, those 1.6CR EGR valves are failing in their hundreds and it looks like VW have made a contingency for this happening as it is inevitable, the law of averages says that after the fix a random fault is going to occur that gets blamed on the update and its easier to pay the dealers to just fix whatever it is and let it go, less stress arguing the toss. It is horrible for a garage when something like this happens, trying to explain to a customer that what you have done is nothing to do with the new fault, what we call the "Ever Since Club"

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[Andy1832]

So is the Stop/Start also a random fault as well - what are the odds of two random faults immediately after the fix. I've seem quite a few reports of both - this from Honest John website "VAG only seems to have started on the 1.6 NOx emissions 'fix' this year, which is more complicated with the 1.6 TDI. So far, a lot of disaster stories. Many of the engines almost immediately clogging up the EGR."

[Crasher]

Stop/start can err, start and stop, for all sorts of reasons, honest John is a complete **** with a seriously biased attitude problem against VAG... I stopped contributing on there as he would not lay off the anti VW rhetoric. I will give you an example of random faults, last week I was working on a customers engine and leaned through the window to turn the key and start it and the ignition lock fell to bits in my hand or another double whammy, I was reversing an R32 out of the workshop and the left hand side door mirror would not move, in fact the window would not open or the door unlock, all I had done was the rear brakes! And they are just two I can think of off the top of my head, over 30 years I have had so many examples that I can't remember them all.

[maurajames]

Hi.
Are we anywhere nearer to getting compensation like the guys in American are meant to be getting

[dave24]

blimey sounds like vw are having build quality problems now as well as 11 million worldwide emissions fixes to deal with
TOYOTA ALWAYS A BETTER WAY

[Crasher]

Are we anywhere nearer to getting compensation like the guys in American are meant to be getting

I hope not and anyway why and what for?


TOYOTA ALWAYS A BETTER WAY

Is that the same Toyota who are involved in the lethal Takata air bag scandal? Or the same Toyota who covered up the deaths with the faulty accelerator pedals or the same Toyota with brake problems on the Pious or the same Toyota who seem to have more recalls than anyone else?

[RVN]

Left in my 2010 A3 1.6 TDi in on Friday for the emissions update. They applied the fix and then in the process of testing it, triggered a fault on the Engine Gas Recirc (EGR) valve which apparently has some corrosion and would "probably" have failed at some unspecified point in the future. Now looking at over £700 to fix a car that was driving perfectly when I left in in. Now it's stuck on limp mode so I have no choice but to get it fixed. I'm now in the lap of the Audi UK gods as to whether they will "offer to contribute" towards the cost. Anyone else have a similar issue? I feel they should be covering most if not all of the cost: they triggered a fault that was not apparent, corrosion or not. Anyone know what my consumer rights are? Apparently I can't have the car back until the bill is paid - so if Audi don't cover it (I'll hear tomorrow), then I'm between a rock and a hard place - pay a bill I don't think I should have to pay, or go without my car!!!

[zollaf]

you could always take it to another garage to change the egr valve and half the labour cost. ?? incidentally, a 7 year old car is 7 years old now, well out of its 3 year warranty. if you have had all services and any other work done by audi then they might listen , if its been serviced elsewhere then i doubt they will consider it.

[Crasher]

The EGR valve dying when doing the recall is looking like a common issue and I am not surprised, break wind too close to a 1.6 CRTDI and the EGR valve falls over and dies... utterly useless part and an absolute bitch to change.

[RVN]

Apparently in the test following the software update they deliberately force the EGR valve fully open and fully closed. This seems to have triggered the fault, which may not have become apparent otherwise for some time. Therefore I'll be arguing Audi should be contributing something. It wouldn't have been in at all but for a fix to an illegal defeat device. I'll probably end up paying but as far as I'm concerned they haven't a moral leg to stand on. I'll be arguing it!

[RVN]

Good news, and hats off to Macclesfield Audi. All fixed, no cost to me, despite the fact they haven't had confirmation from Audi UK that they would cover the cost. The fact that the emissions test forces the EGR Valve beyond its normal operating parameters was good enough. They caused the problem, no cost to me. Well played.

[Crasher]

You aren't the first one I know about to have had the 1.6 EGR valve fail straight after the stupid recall, the EGR valve was marginal in the first place, pushing it further is the proverbial final straw

[Skad]

Yes. When I had mine done the software defaulted to "transport mode" and the car would not go above 20mph and out of first gear. The dealer said this was the first time they had seen this issue. They fixed it in minutes. So far I can't see any difference in MPG or performance.

[sherpa226]

Clearly they didn't test drive the car after they had done it in the first place.

[sherpa226]

I've just had my EGR valve replaced & I have to book it in for the recall so, are you saying the EGR valve is likely to fail again after the rectification work. I hope that's not the case.

[Rob69]

Don't take it in for the recall!

[Skad]

Your part of the world off the Keighley - Skipton road ;-) and no they can't have.... they left me to do it.

[Crasher]

I have to book it in for the recall

DO NOT have the recall done, it is pointless, unnecessary and a risk, put it this way-can you see, feel, hear or sense anything wrong with it now? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[Corsatam]

I've had the "fix" applied to my 16tdi touran, mine now seems to have problems whenever the webasco heater comes on. Almost stalling at idle and stuttering sime where between 1600 to 2000 rpm.
Anyone else have this kind of problem?

[Dieseljuice]

Hi just joined whilst browsing and maybe a question on this.

I've the 2.0 litre Diesel model and have been ignoring VW offering software update since last year as I've no plans to let them mess up a great car. Wife has same engine in Mk2 TT but so far no offer to mess up that one.

Anyhow..I'll never get them done but the day will come for cam belt change and I'll be sticking notes on dash citing software update must not be done, but my question is how can I know....can VAGCOM detect whatever they do?

How can I be assured they will heed my demands...it's my car and this software update is not a legal requirement.

Otherwise I guess I need to use an indy to do the cam belt though I prefer dealer as if they bust the engine then I've got come back.

Comments appreciated.

[zollaf]

whilst under warranty many will say to use a dealer so if there are any faults after warranty then you may get help. if you dont get the update done then they will blame that, so a dealer history id probably not worth it. now, if a reputable garage fits a timing belt and something goes wrong then you are covered the same as you are at a main dealer, and unless you choose fred who works in a shed and has never done a timing belt, then the chances of it snapping are so remote that you stand more chance of ? i dunno, something strange. so long as the instructions are followed and right tools used then what can go wrong. so yeah, choose an indy you like and stick with them.

[cheekeemonkey]

I've decided not to have the work done on my Mk6 Golf GTD after hearing the problems on here and other sites. I've had another couple of letters from VW and keep ignoring them especially as I've decided to get another car.

Last thing I want is for a problem to appear just as I'm about to sell it!

as @crasher says, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[Dieseljuice]

I agree whilst under warranty. Not sure not having emissions fix would affect warranty if that is what you mean...I'd argue it does not affect it. But mines expired anyhow @ 6years old and 30k miles. I prefer to use dealer for any work I don't do and I do most but not a cam belt change anymore.

[Rob69]

Hi just joined whilst browsing and maybe a question on this.

I've the 2.0 litre Diesel model and have been ignoring VW offering software update since last year as I've no plans to let them mess up a great car. Wife has same engine in Mk2 TT but so far no offer to mess up that one.

Anyhow..I'll never get them done but the day will come for cam belt change and I'll be sticking notes on dash citing software update must not be done, but my question is how can I know....can VAGCOM detect whatever they do?

How can I be assured they will heed my demands...it's my car and this software update is not a legal requirement.

Otherwise I guess I need to use an indy to do the cam belt though I prefer dealer as if they bust the engine then I've got come back.

Comments appreciated.

Unless you do higher annual mileages, I'm thinking your car will likely be out of warranty by the time a belt change is due, so nothing stopping you finding a good indy who won't 'update' your car having misplaced your sticky notes or bust the engine. Many indy's are just as, if not more, experienced and qualified to change a timing belt than the dealers guy your car might get on the day it is dropped off. Get your genuine parts from TPS at the Tyne tunnel trading estate, speak to the guy who will actually be doing the work on the car and away you go. A full dealer history will likely count for little in a few years time as the car ages and D day approaches. Dealership goodwill gestures towards EGR cooler changes etc on cars just out of warranty seem to be fickle affairs anyway.

[Dieseljuice]

I agree a good indy can be just as good and maybe better. I keep cars for 8-10 years and once warranty is up the dealer never see's it again as I do all work but I can't be bothered to do cam belts anymore. I keep my service manual up to date with all work I do, date etc and parts from dealer or a good outlet for quality parts and mark the work done by owner.

As posted car has done 30k @ 6 years old and I might get cam belt done this year though it and the ac belt look in good condition. But tempted to get it done but I do not want dealer to mess with emissions hence my original post.

[sherpa226]

Sorted then, I'm not taking it in for the recall. As Audi have written to me about it, I suspect it will be on their system that the remedial work is still outstanding. Presumably its not a legal requirement & its not going to make my car produce less emissions is it?

[cheekeemonkey]

Sorted then, I'm not taking it in for the recall. As Audi have written to me about it, I suspect it will be on their system that the remedial work is still outstanding. Presumably its not a legal requirement & its not going to make my car produce less emissions is it?

Definitely not a legal requirement so they can't force you to have the work done - I've just ignored my letters.

[turboextreme]

I recently sent a email to Vw to find out if it was a compulsory or mandatory recall here what they replied.

Thank you for your email to Volkswagen UK dated 1 March. Please accept my apologies for the delay in our response.

I am sorry that you have had to take the time to contact us. I can understand your frustration.

The Volkswagen Group has been working hard to develop a number of technical measures, which involve software updates for affected vehicles with 1.2 and 2.0 litre diesel engines and a combination of both software and hardware updates for affected vehicles with 1.6 litre diesel engines.

In response to your query regarding whether the emissions technical measure is compulsory or not, I can confirm that you are not required to have the technical measures implemented in your vehicle. This is not a mandatory safety recall, but a voluntary service action. Your vehicle has been approved by an independent approval authority, which means it is legally allowed to be driven on the roads.

You are not, therefore, breaking the law by driving your vehicle and the NOx emissions issue has no impact on the safety, legal compliance or roadworthiness of your vehicle. The technical measures will not, therefore, be implemented in your vehicle without your consent.

That said, we would like the opportunity to implement the technical measures in your vehicle. We would recommend, therefore, that you have the technical measures implemented in your vehicle at your earliest convenience.

In respect of the benefits of having the technical measures implemented in your vehicle, the technical measures will be an opportunity to upgrade the affected vehicles with subsequent advances in diesel engine software technology that were not available at the time they were manufactured.

As part of the implementation of the technical measures we will also complete a complimentary vehicle health check and as such, any other outstanding campaigns or updates will be applied (if applicable) and a visual safety check will also be completed as part of this and the results shared with you.

The technical measures are being designed to have no adverse effect on the performance of the vehicles affected by the NOx emissions issue, and would therefore look to have no impact on the quality and performance of your vehicle.

Finally, thank you for taking the time to contact us. I am sorry for any inconvenience this has caused you. Volkswagen are doing all we can to ensure that you are satisfied with these actions. Our sincerest hope is to regain the trust you placed in us when you chose your Volkswagen Tiguan.

Kind regards


Emily Cundall
Customer Relations Manager
Volkswagen Customer Services Centre

[zollaf]

so if the n0x emissions have no impact on the legal standing of the vehicle, can someone explain what all the bl00dy fu55 is about.

[Gazwould]

It's about people who want to detune their engine , low down torque loss is most desirable and just so they can hear the refined diesel engine working a rattle has been added for pedestrian safety .

[Crasher]

so if the n0x emissions have no impact on the legal standing of the vehicle, can someone explain what all the bl00dy fu55 is about.

This has been my point for the last year or so, has anyone ever seen any actual cold hard NOX figures of what they are and what they should be? The reason is the ACTUAL figures are not a problem in Europe, only in the SIX (out of 50) USA states which have adopted the California Air Resources Board standards.

[roddy22]

Our 2009 Golf 1.6 105hp with 63000 miles was given the emissions treatment on 16th January (see post #17). Since then it has been driven about 1200 miles over varied country roads and dual carriageways. My last tank fill calculations came out (53.4mpg) almost exactly the same as this time last year (53.5 mpg). I reckon the car actually has marginally more torque around 2000rpm but it drives otherwise as before. Without doubt, tick over is smoother - the hunting which used to randomly occur has never happened since. I reckon I can hear a slight diesely rattle but only on starting in first when the load is applied (eg in traffic jams); underway there is no change – not even my wife can hear anything different!

[Crasher]

I was working on a customers T5 California this afternoon using my new ODIS system and after I had done the diagnostics I needed I was tootling through the features getting a feel for how ODIS works and burning up the last of the hour I had paid for and I came across software updates and it popped up and said it needed the EA189 software update, click here, I was tempted for a moment and thought, no, behave...:bandit:

[andrewb019]

We took our 2011 1.6 tdi bluemotion into Poole VW Breeze 3 weeks ago and ever since the emissions update the fan has come on probably 10 times for around 2 mins after turning engine off.
In the 3 years we've had it it's never come on. The temp on the dash says 90, oil and water levels are fine. Left messages with Breeze but nothing back at all.
Is it just a coincidence that it has happened since the update even after the 5 mile trip back from the dealer.
Thanks

[Crasher]

That signals that the DPF is regenerating more and the ECU runs the fan to vent the engine bay of hot air.

[andrewb019]

Thanks for your reply Crasher.
We have read that elsewhere but we thought surely it would'nt happen so frequently as its never happened before since we've had the car.

[Crasher]

It is getting older now so the Diesel Particulate Filter is getting closer to its maximum Ash content (not to be confused with pre regeneration Soot) and the new software requires better flow with much higher Exhaust Gas Recirculation on the 1.6 CR TDI to reduce NOX levels plus the software has a lower threshold for auto regeneration and all this means the DPF gets even hotter ( upto 900 degrees centigrade :firedevil) so the ECU runs the fan much more to keep the engine bay cool.

[andrewb019]

Rightio, thanks for that.
So we might have to replace the dpf soon? Or would one of these dpf cleans do the job.
Many thanks

[Gazwould]

Phil Mitchell is furious...

Up in smoke: the VW emissions ‘fix’ has left our car undriveable | Money | The Guardian (https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/money/2017/mar/25/vw-volkswagen-audi-skoda-seat-emissions-fix-left-car-undriveable)

[Crasher]

So we might have to replace the dpf soon?

Possibly. One of the tasks you are supposed to do at each service is to read off the Ash Mass value the ECU has calculated for the DPF and we put this on the customers history so we can keep an eye on it. This is measured in grams and seems to be around 80 grams max for most cars BUT Ash is classed as being permanent by VAG and even reputable DPF cleaning companies don't claim to be able to get all of it out so with a cleaned DPF you can't reset the Ash Mass value to zero as you would with a new DPF, we tend to set the value at 50% of the stated maximum.

[andrewb019]

Thank you Crasher

[pajd]

Got mine done in Oct 2017. Car is a 2.0 TDI. Before the 'fix' there was nothing wrong with my car. Since then the glow plug/engine management light has come and gone. And Ive lost count how many times the car has gone into 'limp mode'.

Ive had it tested by 2 different mechanics and both have come back with a faulty EGR valve. I'll be ringing VW on Monday as Ive had it with this ****!
Just wish I'd never taken the car in for this supposed 'fix'

To others that havent had it done yet......DO NOT LET THEM TOUCH YOUR CAR WITH THIS UPDATE

[Crasher]

It was in The Mail today, they are having problems. The press is to blame for all of this, if it wasn't for the media hysteria the whole thing could have been swept under the carpet and put down to experience under the heading "Not to do in the future!" But no, the mejia had to extract the maximum air time over it, there was more pollution out of their gobs than came out of a tailpipe.

[pajd]

If anyone is affected by this then please do join the FB page below and voice your concerns. Its a closed group but admin will grant access quickly

The Volkswagen Diesel Customer Forum (Emissions Scandal)

[ishbel]

A3 2lt s line, was a dream to drive. software update, mot and service done at beginning of feb. 4 days later and particulate filter light on. a wee blast on a run cleared it. six weeks later and on again, limp home mode and failed egr valve. valve replaced yesterday and car traded in today. There is no way that VAG are ever going to admit liability, but why would they fix egr foc on a car with no warranty and 83k miles. have a look at the facebook group above, the amount of people with the same problem is phenomenal.

[turboextreme]

I would advise not to have the Emissions recall done heres why and the answer to many complaints can the recall be reversed.

Can the emissions fix be reversed?

This is a tricky one. As we understand it the changes to the engine management system go above and beyond what remaps would be capable of changing. We believe that the fix makes changes only possible by “flashing” the entire ECU with new settings and features to help reduce NOx output.

These changes include:

Reduction in fuelling at lower revs (reducing torque)
Changes to the injection pattern
Changes to the EGR behaviour
Addition of an “air straightener” into the intake (1.6L engines only)
The changes have resulted in the following for many owners

Reduced power
Increased engine noise
EGR valve failure
Injector failure
DPF filter blockages
Reduced MPG / Fuel efficiency
We understand (at present) that only VW can fully reverse the software update. At this point VW / VAG have point blank refused to entertain this idea.
I have found out some vw dealers are refunding customers for egr valve replacements as Vw are aware that there fix is causing the failures dont just take the dealers word of refusing to offer to help call the vw head office who will then get in touch with your dealer resulting in a 100% Payment for a replacement.

[Gazwould]

The egr was always going to be a failure point , they fail regularly anyway but now they are further operational to reduce NOx it's an egr epidemic .

More egr operation leads to more incomplete combustion that causes soot , more soot more dpf regens , so flawed....

[zollaf]

you could always buy a petrol car.. ooooh, dont think this whole scandal was invented to sway people away from the devils fuel and onto gods fuel do you ???

[Crasher]

What VAG SHOULD have done was not let the press bully them into a rushed fix, in fact there should not have been a fix anyway, there was no point as the problem was minuscule anyway in the scheme of things, the number of people who have ripped off their emission equipment causes far far greater damage than a little too much NOX but the press and authorities have virtually completely ignored this problem, I have only ever seen it mentioned twice. It should have been put down to experience, a "let’s not do that again" moment.

As for the question about why they are replacing EGR valves for free when they go wrong after the remap is easy, customers! To be honest, only people in the trade will instantly know what I mean and it is very hard to put into a few words but I will try. Explaining to a customer that "the part was going to fail anyway (because it is rubbish) because the new program puts a higher load on the valve and is the proverbial straw that broke the proverbial camel’s back" just doesn't wash with most people as the vast majority have the "it was alright when I brought it in" attitude which is SO prevalent that those int trade now make jokes and sketches about it and often a trader will “roll over for it” because it is simply too stressful, exhausting, damaging and upsetting to argue the toss as fighting it is likely to cost more than just fixing it. We were discussing this last night in that the public seems to have adopted a mentality that if ANYTHING goes wrong with their car when it is with the garage, it is the garages fault. A few weeks ago I was struggling with a silly fault code that would not go away (it turned out the be the fault of VCDS) and I put my arm though the open window to turn the ignition on and start it, at which point the entire ignition lock unit broke, half fell out , jammed and locked the steering. When I spoke to the customer about this the response was vicious and I was left in no doubt that “I had to fix it” because it was my fault for turning the key!

This is one example of what this attitude is causing the trade to think about customers, after 33 years of this pain I have just about reached my limit of tolerance...

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd20/Crasher1964/179139b8ab02cd06871b1cbc42b1f45e1_zpsulgjiyle.jpg (http://s222.photobucket.com/user/Crasher1964/media/179139b8ab02cd06871b1cbc42b1f45e1_zpsulgjiyle.jpg. html)

[zollaf]

i had one a while back, just fitted a new cam and tappets to a clio, solid ones not hydraulic, so takes ages to set up, got it running sweet, reversed out of workshop, clutch pedal went to floor. oh bother i thought, but first thing customer said, '' thought the clutch felt a bit funny'', as they had to sink another grand into it.

[Crasher]

It is nice when a customer realises that it was going to happen anyway, I have a lot of really decent customers, one who has been with me since I was 18, and I do my utmost to make everything perfect. Some are utter gems like Ken the biscuit man and Mrs Akram who brings us tasty Indian treats that blow your head off. I have thankfully got to a work load stage that if someone looks/sounds like a **** we say we are fully booked for the next 33 years...

[turboextreme]

Vw is apparently suspending the recall fix due to all the failures of Dpf and egr valves there is a interesting read on autoexpress.

VW emissions scandal: Dieselgate fix is causing breakdowns | Auto Express (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/92893/vw-emissions-scandal-recalls-compensation-is-your-car-affected-latest-news)

[FLAPPERJACK76]

Rumours I hear from ex colleagues still in vag dealer's is they aren't even doing the software update , just purely the paperwork. Also hear many customers are having egr valves fitted for free.

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[Crasher]

I am a bit concerned that the failure of the EGR valve is being blamed on the recall because this simply ins't true, it was a useless unreliable unfit for purpose component in the first place.

[Gazwould]

Now you're coming around to my way of thinking... back on the red sauce ?

Benefit to owners having the egr replaced , but they're still left with a pants map .

[Crasher]

Now you're coming around to my way of thinking... back on the red sauce ?

Firstly, I hope not ;) and secondly, only a drop or two over the last few months, saving a packet!

[Audi Hopeless]

I'd say don't have it done, my Audi A3 1.6 diesel ('61 plate) has now been in twice and the engine now runs too fast, uses more fuel. Audi are now talking about having the car in for 2 days to find the fault, more trouble than it's worth.

[zollaf]

welcome to the forum..

[Crasher]

It wasn't broke so why fix it?

[Natalie w]

My golf 1.6tdi went in for update last mon . Since it came back drove fine for 2 days but fan kept coming on even after a 2 mile journey which I thought was odd . Just been away for a few days came back on a recovery truck ,engine cutting out spluttering limp mode ect was told by vw that because egr valve went at 40,000 mile now it's had update it will probably go again god help who answers the phone to me in the morning at vw absolutely fuming wish I'd known you didn't have to have it done had 3 golfs wont be having another one .

[Gazwould]

Natalie where have you been it's common knowledge since the press got hold of it , Watchdog too .

[FLAPPERJACK76]

You might get a good egr valve seeing as they have improved the design 9 times since last time i looked.

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[Gazwould]

Dated and compromised way of dealing with NOx .

[Crasher]

Dated and compromised way of dealing with NOx .

I agree, the easiest solution is to take all Diesel cars off of the road BUT they will only be replaced by electric cars and that is another dark tunnel we are going into and will come home to roost in the next twenty years, just as diesel did.... Lithium Ion WILL turn around and bite us on the ***, it is only a matter of time.

Old Top Gear 1991 - Buying a diesel - YouTube (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sEZEEbAqgfc)

[Gazwould]

For me and my £3.50 worth 3B6 derv , there is no alternative to this level of reliable , practical , budget motoring that provides 180 bhp and 60+ mpg. .

[FLAPPERJACK76]

In 20 year's I will probably have an electric bus pass and won't be in a rush to go anywhere.

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[Crasher]

You mean for the Chinese made Build Your Dreams (BYD) made buses like Nottingham has invested in?

This story was heavily hushed up by the council


https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/D50E/production/_89824545_busfire.jpg

[Alan G H]

You mean for the Chinese made Build Your Dreams (BYD) made buses like Nottingham has invested in?

This story was heavily hushed up by the council


https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/D50E/production/_89824545_busfire.jpg

Not just Nottingham, buses seem to be bursting into flames quite regularly lately. It seems to have been happening more since common rail fuel systems came in (high fuel pressure, small leaks spraying fuel onto hot turbos = bus up in flames).

[xouser8334]

Sadly.. my employer who give me a car allowance insiated on me having recalls and servicing done on my A6.. even though it is a 2010 60plate S Line.. sadly.. my fuel consuption has fallen by 10 to 15MPG and i now struggle.to get above 39.7mpg and sensible speed on the motorway.. my car tick over is up to around 950 to 1000rpm. The 170PS feels slower than my 2003 Td4 freelander.. and i have to rev the nuts off it now to pull off my driveway, otherwise it will stall.
Since having the recall. My friendly garage has done my servicing ever since with parts and oils i have procured from TPS or Audi. Even though i am using a vat registeres garage. Oil changing every 6000 miles or earlier. Fitting geniine parts. I have been told that I can forget the 160000 mile warranty they have written to all of us victims as it wasnt serviced at an Audi dealer.... christ!!!!! And I'm a VW Group MasterTech of old.. and still get this treatment... but.. there is a guy in Barnsley who says he van remove the update for 95 quid.... hmmmm.. and i would like a remap at some point... decisions decisions....

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[turboextreme]

I wouldn't rush out and purchase a electric car just yet or mock them as Soon they will be powered by Super capacitors instead of batteries which are smaller and lighter.
Some people have replaced there car battery and fitted a DIY capacitor pack and it works.

Replacing My Car Battery with Capacitors! 12V BoostPack Update - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=z3x_kYq3mHM)

[Crasher]

Super capacitors will never get past the crash testing and legislation hurdles and even if they do the idea will not sell, they are lethal and you still have to get the juice from somewhere and we ain't got enough now! Petrol will still be current and on sale in 50 years time.

[maxentziu]

Hi guys, I'm new here. Just want to say that got a skoda 1.6 disel in January 2016. Never had any problems till this year -2017- on Easter, when I had to change EGR valve. After that no problems till 20 days ago when I went for a service in skoda and they done the software update. 5 days after the car started to go in limpmode. I booked again the car and it's going tomorrow 28.11.2017. the EGR valve Error is back, anyone can tell me if that's covered or not by skoda? Or I have to pay again for another Valve?
Best regards ,Max

[Gazwould]

Covered !

'Trust building measures'

Volkswagen pledges to rectify problems caused by Dieselgate software fix | Autocar (https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/volkswagen-pledges-rectify-problems-caused-dieselgate-software-fix)

[maxentziu]

Hi , guys, just to let everybody else who has The same problem that the EGR valve after or before The recall its covered by vw warranty!
I got my car back , not fix, but I'm booked for next week for a EGR valve replacement under warranty! I will keep all of you up-to-date with the progress. Tnx