BiTdi 313 - 4 weeks in and getting a bit bored of it

[Andy Grob73]

Hi Guys, I came from a 14 plate BMW 335 xdrive touring to an A6 Sline 3.0 BiTurbo saloon about 4 weeks ago. I'm normally in love with a new car for ages, but I'm already starting to feel bored of the A6. Has anyone else felt this way? Its just that bit too much of a big bus and feels 'old man' ish. I have previously loved many different Audi's and Audi group cars, but this just doesn't feel fun to drive. If you did change from the A6, what did you change to?..... and why?

Sorry for being a kill joy!!:(

Is there a chance that the car is gonna grow on me with a little more time?

[Rassi]

Depends on what you use the BiTDI for: I got rid of an E92 M3 after 6 months for the BiTDI as it is simply much better suited to high speed and long distance motorway driving. It would clearly be wasted on A or B roads, as it is not that kind of car.

I love mine, it is frugal for the power (more than twice the range of the M3), comfortable and a great place to be, with an excellent engine/gearbox combo and a decent sound (for a diesel).

[AT.]

I'm normally in love with a new car for ages, but I'm already starting to feel bored of the A6.

Just for fun, did you selected the "Dynamic" style in the MMI Car settings?

[Westyfield2]

To improve the handling get yourself a set of decent anti-roll bars.

Mine:


Eurocode adjustable anti-roll bars (front & rear) with billet aluminium front and rear droplinks


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From the thread Biturbo sports diff - Page 5 (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php/166132-Biturbo-sports-diff?p=983373#post983373)

[EssexGonzo]

Sounds like you just need to change the engine or get a Porsche Cayman.

It's a big old barge, for sure. But that makes it comfortable and as I'm nearly at my half century, that's the way I like it. Although I did spice mine up with a V8 petrol engine and therefore don't recognise this boredom of which you speak.........:moon:

[L3nnox]

I've just cancelled my Bitdi order...... For a Q7 as the A6 avant is too small. Family demands!?! The 335d would be like wearing Lycra for me, way too small.
Horses courses.

[EssexGonzo]

I've just cancelled my Bitdi order...... For a Q7 as the A6 avant is too small. Family demands!?! The 335d would be like wearing Lycra for me, way too small.
Horses courses.

Are you sure you've not just become another SUV fashion victim.....? :aargh4: ;) Not much space difference inside. It's just taller, slower, less good at handling and less good looking (IMHO of course). But beautifully made and very wafty. I drove one when the RS6 was in for a software update. Lovely and wafting but definitely not for me......

[Andy Grob73]

Thanks for all the replies. It is very much horses for courses, and I just don't think that this is the horse for me.

I opted diesel for a bit of frugality, and the BiTdi for the best ooomph of the diesels. I was hoping that the A6 would be the right balance of a fun, yet family sized, for family sized needs etc. Whilst it meets the family needs...I just don't find it that much fun to drive...even in dynamic mode.

Before buying it I had two different pals on about the pro's and cons of an A8. One pal saying go for it because he loves his and another pal saying lovely car in some ways, but not for another 15 years or so yet. I'm finding the A6 a bit that way too. At 42 years old, I don't think I'm ready for this type of drive or ride for a good 15 years or so yet.

I can see how upgrading the anti-rolls bars would help the drive, but I'm reluctant to put any additional money into the car. I'm feeling more like cutting my losses and moving on....just need a bit of head scratching time to decide what car to move on to. Must be 4 wheel drive, good oppmph, fun to drive, and meet with family needs (MTB's on roof rack etc). Any ideas?

[L3nnox]

Are you sure you've not just become another SUV fashion victim.....? :aargh4: ;) Not much space difference inside. It's just taller, slower, less good at handling and less good looking (IMHO of course). But beautifully made and very wafty. I drove one when the RS6 was in for a software update. Lovely and wafting but definitely not for me......

We need the option of 7 seats unfortunately. Just for kids so it's ideal (4 of: 11 to new born) . We also need to cut our cloth accordingly as the wife going to be stopping work and we recently moved house so piled what we had into that. So with another one on the way we need to prioritise space and practicality. It is bigger on the boot and we know it will take a double buggy behind the 7 seats.


Must be 4 wheel drive, good oppmph, fun to drive, and meet with family needs (MTB's on roof rack etc). Any ideas?

C7 S6
C6 RS6
S4
Rs4

[Andy Grob73]

C7 S6
C6 RS6
S4
Rs4

They are all now on my 'to do list' for a test drive, thanks.

[EssexGonzo]

Thanks for all the replies. It is very much horses for courses, and I just don't think that this is the horse for me.

I opted diesel for a bit of frugality, and the BiTdi for the best ooomph of the diesels. I was hoping that the A6 would be the right balance of a fun, yet family sized, for family sized needs etc. Whilst it meets the family needs...I just don't find it that much fun to drive...even in dynamic mode.

Before buying it I had two different pals on about the pro's and cons of an A8. One pal saying go for it because he loves his and another pal saying lovely car in some ways, but not for another 15 years or so yet. I'm finding the A6 a bit that way too. At 42 years old, I don't think I'm ready for this type of drive or ride for a good 15 years or so yet.

I can see how upgrading the anti-rolls bars would help the drive, but I'm reluctant to put any additional money into the car. I'm feeling more like cutting my losses and moving on....just need a bit of head scratching time to decide what car to move on to. Must be 4 wheel drive, good oppmph, fun to drive, and meet with family needs (MTB's on roof rack etc). Any ideas?

Sounds like you need a 2-car strategy here. One to satisfy the "fun" demands and another to satisfy the family needs. Something big enough for the latter is always going to be compromised in that it will be too heavy to be a true driver's car. Even the RS6 is compromised - too big to be called a proper driver's car but fun in other ways.

And you don't need a 300bhp car and loads of money for driving fun - have you tried an MX5?

If you're stuck on a single car approach, the best compromise has to be a 3-series estate X-Drive but you've already said that this would be too small. For the record I've recently driven an Alpina D3 Biturbo Touring. Only 2WD but an absolute hoot. Fantastic car. Just a shame that they don't do one with a V8 like in the old M3.

[A6ian]

Must be 4 wheel drive, good oppmph, fun to drive, and meet with family needs (MTB's on roof rack etc). Any ideas?

Ferrari FF fits, and there's room for the dog in the back.

[zollaf]

sounds like you need a camping trailer.

[Rassi]

Audi RS3 or RS6 if you need the space. Or buy a very crap and underpowered car, and drive that for a few weeks to make you appreciate the BiTDI more :p

[PeterPan114]

Hi Guys, I came from a 14 plate BMW 335 xdrive touring to an A6 Sline 3.0 BiTurbo saloon about 4 weeks ago. I'm normally in love with a new car for ages, but I'm already starting to feel bored of the A6. Has anyone else felt this way? Its just that bit too much of a big bus and feels 'old man' ish. I have previously loved many different Audi's and Audi group cars, but this just doesn't feel fun to drive. If you did change from the A6, what did you change to?..... and why?

Sorry for being a kill joy!!:(

Is there a chance that the car is gonna grow on me with a little more time?

I 100% agree with you on this, the Audi A6 BiTdi is boring as cars goes and I am being serious. I have owned my BiTdi for 1 year now and 2 years left on pcp. I have spent countless hours searching for something that makes me feel alive again in a car but every time I weigh up the alternatives I simply can't justify it! Why? Because the A6 BiTdi is so good at what it does with exception to being fun.

I have have looked at changing it for s6, but then why would I want to pay double on fuel and more on insurance etc.. When in reality I won't get there any quicker and that goes for the Golf R, Audi S3 and all the other 101 cars I have tried to justified in place of the A6.

I simply keep coming back to this great car, it does not scream race me to every boy racer as mine is debadged totally and it does not bring out the devil inside of me and most blokes when driving a high performance hatch back or fast saloon. The car has 313/320 ps under the hood with plenty lbs and will keep up with most things! But then again life is not always about getting from a to b as quickly as possible.

I personally like the car and yes it does feel like a bus with a 'boring' characteristics attribute. But it really is a good car!

For or me I am looking at a second car like an Audi rs3 or m3 saloon v8 for those days when I want to experience the Joy of a petrol engine that freely revs and sounds drop dead gorgeous.

On to the second question, then I would change it for a BMW 550i saloon or touring, Audi s6, Audi rs6 or Audi s4/rs4 avant if fuel was not a concern. Going the hatch back route, I would choose the Audi s3 or BMW m135i or if money was available an Audi rs3.

from a diesel point of view then and you did not mind owning a SUV then the BMW X5 m50d or BMW 335d touring but then the 3 series comes with a handbrake and for me the electronic brake is sooooo much better and handbrakes are so yesterday IMHO.

My my two pence worth.

Shaun

[L3nnox]

BMW X5 m50d

I had a remapped X5 35d recently and its was a selfish drive (not a good passenger car) no where as quick as my remapped E61 535d but a complete hoonigan!!

I'm looking at Q7s right now and the 4.2 V8 Tdi remapped would be fun but I'm not sure the tax and MPG will not dampen the ownership.

I'm currently driving a 2014 GTD and for today's roads it's as much as you really need. Bloody good drive and prob the best car I have had.

[Bar Shaker]

Every car is a compromise and our ability to 'enjoy' driving has diminished greatly in the last 10 years. Look back at what we used to get up to 20 years ago (for me in my Scooby and 911 days) and there is no comparison in today's camera strewn Britain.

The cars that we choose to own today aren't boring because they lack potential, they become boring because we can't use that potential. I'm lucky in that my daily commute is 8 miles of fast B road. In my C6 there were no overtaking opportunities, in the BiTDI there are at least 3, but some days I'm 6 cars back from a bus and I might as well be on the bus, for all the fun the journey is. On other days, the journey is an absolute hoon and I arrive at work grinning from ear to ear. By comparison, my trips from Essex down to Hamble are a chore in the BiTDI, or in our X5.

Considering that any car is a compromise, I'm happy that my BiTDI is the best compromise I could have chosen. I doubt I would drive any faster in an RS6, I probably wouldn't notice the fuel saving in an Ultra and I wouldn't arrive any more cosseted in a Conti. I'd love an Atom, a 22B, a bike engined Westy, an R8 V10 and all of the other classics/toys out there, but they would only ever be toys for occasional use.

For an 'every day' car, that can carry two bikes or 4 blokes and a load of sailing gear, yet still drop 95% of the other cars on the road and get you to the destination in luxury, I think it's pretty much perfect.

I didn't have my place in the Alps when I ordered the BiTDI. For that trip, I wouldn't want to be in anything else.

[Gazwould]

It's mostly got to do with weight and soggy suspension .

[L3nnox]

My 535d was dynamically a superior car, OK less traction but driving feel and road holding surpasses the A6. In fact this has now got me searching for one. Might just scratch that itch and buy one for the next trip to the parents house in the Dordogne and get the Q7 when we get back.

[DazN]

Wow, this could have been my thread too as I'm in the same position.

I've had my BiTDi for a year and I've been looking to change it since about 6 months in, but when I look I just can't find anything that ticks as many boxes (for me).

I've had them all too, C63, M3's, M5's, RS4, S4... this is my first diesel and I'm now more impressed by the MPG figure than anything else, the rest is quite dull. I've also got the Kufatec sound enhancer for the exhaust and that does make a difference to the noise it makes, but doesn't change the fact that it's a diesel.

I've considered a S6 but I don't think it's enough of a change, people probably wouldn't even know I had a new car, RS6 is a bit much for me right now.

Porsche Cayenne S is another choice I'm considering but they are expensive at over £60k when I could have a LOT of other cars for that money.

I'd be interested to see what you decide to do.

[belly buster]

LOL first world problems.

The funny thing is those unhappy with their BiTDi haven't really come up with a better option that doesn't have other flaws, compromises, or significant cost.

Out of interest, did you guys opt for air suspension or just have the standard?

[DazN]

LOL first world problems.

The funny thing is those unhappy with their BiTDi haven't really come up with a better option that doesn't have other flaws, compromises, or significant cost.

Out of interest, did you guys opt for air suspension or just have the standard?

Mine is standard suspension and I see the S6 has the air suspension option, there's a nice one on Autotrader now :-)

[Bar Shaker]

I was talking about cars a few weeks ago to my CEO. He changes cars frequently.

The most boring car he has had was his 997 Turbo. He only kept it for for 2 months. It was devastatingly quick, the best handling thing this side of a GT3 and it looked/sounded the nuts. He said it just did everything so well, you felt as though you didn't need to get involved with it. As they had only recently come out, he sold it at a profit... and bought a Gallardo, which was a massive disappointment.

[Gazwould]

What does he rate ?

[watronik7]

To be honest you will not find any better 4WD than Audi quattro so you are limited to jus a few cars. If your TDi is not sporty enough 3.0 TFSi would be the next step up. I am generally pleased with my A7. Hatchback and overall size is good for family and it has kind of sporty look as well. Cannot complaint about my 3.0 TDi but 3.0 petrol would provide much more fun.

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[Westyfield2]

To be honest you will not find any better 4WD than Audi quattro so you are limited to jus a few cars. If your TDi is not sporty enough 3.0 TFSi would be the next step up.

Tunes well too ;)




MRC stage 2 supercharger pulley & remap



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[Bar Shaker]

What does he rate ?

He has a big petrol engine Range Rover now. He likes that.

[rowdy-999]

He has a big petrol engine Range Rover now. He likes that.

If he thinks that is better than a 997 Turbo he has zero taste in cars, or more money than sense.

[ukgroucho]

Tunes well too ;)

And then the gearbox went BANG!

The short story. They put the Tiptronic in the BiTdi 'cos the torque was too much for the S-tronic. Pushing the 3.0 TFSi that hard will potentially compromise the gearbox in the future.

Reality is that on the road (in standard tune) there is little in it. My brother had an S4 with that engine and now has an A6 with the 3.0 TFSi (supercharged) lump (yes he lives in the US where they still sell it). He readily admits that my BiTdi has a lot more mid-range grunt so for day to day driving it is quicker. His TFSi is quicker off the line. But my fuel consumption (not fuel bill) is lower - although his TFSi is pretty frugal in reality.

[Westyfield2]

And then the gearbox went BANG!

The short story. They put the Tiptronic in the BiTdi 'cos the torque was too much for the S-tronic.

There's different versions of S-Tronic boxes... the ones in the bigger more powerful cars aren't the same as those in a Golf. Heck, there's S-Tronic boxes in the R8 V10 plus!

This is the ratings of the version in the B8 S4 and C7 A6 with 3.0TFSI, the C7 S6, and the R8 V10.
http://www.vaglinks.com/vaglinks_com/docs/ssp/VWUSA.COM_SSP_990193_2009-10%20Audi%20New%20Technology.pdf

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Personally, I'd like to see Audi offering a choice. In the US the A6 3.0TFSI gets the ZF 8HP, but here we get the DSG. Both here their pros and cons. The DSG executes faster shifts with rev matching, while the ZF 8HP gets you much smoother low speed operation, and has the torque converter help at low speeds to instantly get engine speed up. At low speeds the DSGs can drive like manuals (possibilities of more stumbling, more shuffling, weird noises and clunks) whilst the ZF 8HP is great with smoothness and efficiency for day to day (noncompetitive) driving. At low speeds, especially when slowing down and coasting or and stop and go driving the ZF would be better. But the DSG is slightly better in all other situations. Since they both fit it seems a shame to me that Audi don't offer the customer the choice!


(Of course just like all S-Tronics are not created equal, there are different models of ZF 8HP).

[ukgroucho]

I fail to see the point you are trying to make... the 469 PS tweaked version of the graphs you showed indicates 601nm of torque at 4000 RPM - well beyond what the gearbox is rated for.

As you note there are several (many) variants of the ZF 8HP with different torque ratings, in fact some are rated differently (for torque) depending on application - petrol vs. diesel.

The BiTdi can be tuned over 400 PS (we had a forum member that did it) and the torque gets crazy but my recollection is that this individual experienced some 'unusual' gearbox behaviour ('slipping' when pushing it in lower gears) which would have frankly worried me from a long term ownership perspective.

DSG vs ZF. Well I quizzed my brother on that as he's had both boxes with (effectively) the same engine. I drove the S4 a few times (not driven the A6 with the ZF but ridden in it a bit) and I can attest that the whole S4 package felt "controlled" and very connected to the road, power delivery was very direct - and that is partly down to the DSG and partly the overall suspension setup (and sports diff) . His perspective is that in day to day driving there is little difference. The A6 feels pretty much as quick although does not handle as well... AND he is not worried about the gearbox going bang 'cos his S4 had a BUNCH of issues with clunky changes which resulted in a couple of mechatronics and other replacements and ultimately a gearbox replacement. Thankfully Audi US had extended the drivetrain warranty to 100k miles because a lot of the issues emerged after the initial warranty expired. Concerns about where it was going in the future (aka "is it a time bomb waiting to blow up my bank account") were one of the major motivations to change.

[Westyfield2]

"is it a time bomb waiting to blow up my bank account"

Given that there's other people running ~700 BHP and ~900 NM through the S-Tronic, I'm not too worried. :)

[fest0r]

Whichever version of s-tronic that's fitted to the 245 3.0 seems to (occasionally?) have to deal with 650nm… which I think is 50nm over the max :aargh4:

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As I have said before, I would happily make a donation/send a voucher for anyone willing to get their standard 245/272 tested at their local rolling road… pretty please :D

EDIT: Direct-shift gearbox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-shift_gearbox#List_of_DSG_variants)

EDIT 2: On the same wiki :confused::

In September 2010, VW launched a new seven-speed DSG built to support up to 650 N·m (480 lb·ft), the DQ500. Its first use was in the Audi TT-RS

[A6S]

I'm not trying to join any argument or anything like that here about the dsg box limits but thought I put my 2p worth in.
With something like the 3.0 tdi or tfsi the max torque is close to the limits of the box. The thing is on most days the car is probably trundling along in traffic. You are not going to drive at max revs and bhp all the time so the box is only occasional see these figures and beyond so the longevity of the box should still be pretty high unless you drive it like you stole it every time. The other thing is there must be some built in tolerance. The manufacturer is saying 600nm but is that the breaking point or is it the point they are gonna warrant it till for safety/cost reasons?
i personally think it should be safe for a remap but you just got to prepared yourself if something breaks. Especially for those that drove like a maniac everywhere you go.
festor, I'm getting mine on the RR soon so will post the results here, happy to take your voucher ;-)

[fest0r]

Excellent news… wouldn’t be surprised if the 272 is actually at 300+ bhp :beerchug:

[Splash]

Bloody hell J, you've outbracketed me for once. ;)

Wildcard "stopgap" suggestion for OP given that its cheap, sorry - inexpensive, 4x4 albeit Haldex, and can be doctored easily upto and beyond the spec of its DSG limitations. Also carries plenty:

Octavia vRS 4x4 184 (more bhp without 4x4 though). For allroad fans the Scout isn't tardy and both are more "sacrificial" than a C7.

[Westyfield2]

EDIT 2: On the same wiki :confused::

In September 2010, VW launched a new seven-speed DSG built to support up to 650 N·m (480 lb·ft), the DQ500. Its first use was in the Audi TT-RS
DQ is for transverse engine, not longitudinal. But your post now reminds me...


When Audi first introduced the box in the R8 V10 they rated it for 550NM. But then they increased it to 600NM.

The 0B5 / DL501-7Q gearbox is for longitudinal Quattro upto 600Nm torque output. Audi classify it as the "seven-speed", "high torque engine", "Quattro powertrain" model. It uses wet clutches (with larger plates than previously) and is the first S-Tronic box to use two totally separate oil circuits.
As I've got the workshop manuals I just had a look through to see what it's fitted on. 0B5 / DL501-7Q is fitted to the following vehicles.

2.8 ltr. FSI 150 kW, 162 kW
3.0 ltr. TFSI 220 kW
3.0 ltr. TDI 150 kW
3.0 ltr. TDI 180 kW (500 Nm)
3.0 ltr. TDI 180 kW (580 Nm)
3.0 ltr. TFSI 228 kW
4.0 ltr. TFSI 300 kW, 309 kW
3.0 ltr. TFSI 228 kW
3.0 ltr. TDI 150 kW
3.0 ltr. TDI 180 kW


And for those that really care, they all use the same 1st and 2nd gear ratios, but then the ratios of 3-7 vary (as do the final drive and diffs).


So yes I'm running 601NM through a box that was rated to 600NM, and there's always a risk of something going bang when tuning. And the guys running 900NM are taking a bigger risk. But as long as your sensible you should be fine (e.g. mine has never had launch control used, and the fluid is changed at half the recommended interval).

[Jackblack]

So short story long i have just under 400 bhp + 750 NM torq on my car 3 days since new nearly two years old now - no issues on gearbox - much much fun. Enough said. There are a lot of cautious people saying dont touch it but I've yet to see or hear of one gearbox failure after a BITDI remap and I've spoken to tuners in eurrope who have done hundreds of these BITDi conversions. That is no guarantee that failure cannot or could happen. But i love my car and I'm really looking forward to the A7 c8 tri turbo which i will again have tuned.

[Jackblack]

Given that there's other people running ~700 BHP and ~900 NM through the S-Tronic, I'm not too worried. :)
Different variants of the box my tuner runs his RS6 at 700 bhp and we discussed removing my DPF taking ti to maybe 475 bhp approaching 850 -900 nm but i know gearbox is not rated for anything near that and through our discussion it appear that perhaps would be to swap my box for an uprated RS6 model - is it worth it - no especially with the A6 C8 due very soonish.

[Westyfield2]

Different variants of the box my tuner runs his RS6 at 700 bhp and we discussed removing my DPF taking ti to maybe 475 bhp approaching 850 -900 nm but i know gearbox is not rated for anything near that and through our discussion it appear that perhaps would be to swap my box for an uprated RS6 model - is it worth it - no especially with the A6 C8 due very soonish.
S6 with RS6 turbos, but keeping the original S6 box.
AudiBoost - First successful 4.0 TFSI V8 RS6 to S6 turbocharger swap - MRC Tuning Audi S6 4.0 TFSI tuned for upgraded turbochargers (http://audiboost.com/content.php?4368-First-successful-4-0-TFSI-V8-RS6-to-S6-turbocharger-swap-MRC-Tuning-Audi-S6-4-0-TFSI-tuned-for-upgraded-turbochargers)

Interesting idea about fitting the RS6 box. Wonder if it would work?

[L3nnox]

Wow..... Just messed myself looking at that!!!

[john2107]

Just picking up on the "2 Car Strategy" comment much earlier in this thread, I am lucky enough to own both a BiTdi313 with nearly 70k miles on the clock and a 9 year old "tweaked" MX5. Two completely different cars yet both totally brilliant in their own way. I wouldn't particularly want to do 500 miles in a day in the MX5, nor would I want to spend the day hammering around country lanes in the A6, but they are both utterly capable of doing what they are each suited for. And in terms of value for money, I struggle to know how to better each of them. I have recently wondered how I could improve on the BiTdi were I to change it, in terms of huge load lugging capacity, complete long distance comfort, massive straight line performance when I need it, total reliability, a great sound system and 43.5mpg over the last 60k miles. And I have yet to come up with a better option in terms of practicality, performance and value for money.

The BiTdi is a fantastic car which I have no plans to change. But if I want to put a big smile on my face, I just take the MX5 out for a blast....

Horses for courses....

[wildbore]

S6 with RS6 turbos, but keeping the original S6 box.
AudiBoost - First successful 4.0 TFSI V8 RS6 to S6 turbocharger swap - MRC Tuning Audi S6 4.0 TFSI tuned for upgraded turbochargers (http://audiboost.com/content.php?4368-First-successful-4-0-TFSI-V8-RS6-to-S6-turbocharger-swap-MRC-Tuning-Audi-S6-4-0-TFSI-tuned-for-upgraded-turbochargers)

Interesting idea about fitting the RS6 box. Wonder if it would work?

I never understand these tuning companies when they do stuff like this. There are a shed load of mechanical changes on the RS6 to support the additional power so why put the RS6 turbo pack on an S6? Surely it would be simpler and better to sell the S6 and buy an RS6.

[L3nnox]

I never understand these tuning companies when they do stuff like this. There are a shed load of mechanical changes on the RS6 to support the additional power so why put the RS6 turbo pack on an S6? Surely it would be simpler and better to sell the S6 and buy an RS6.

I would think this would be cheaper..... Plus its often doing the sleeper thing. Having something other people don't. I have a mate with a tunes S4. As fast as an RS4 but looks rather mundane.

Case in point...
Audi S4 v Audi RS4. Does Supercharging Rule? - /CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS - YouTube (http://youtu.be/2KfMY96v_Gc)

[A6S]

I never understand these tuning companies when they do stuff like this. There are a shed load of mechanical changes on the RS6 to support the additional power so why put the RS6 turbo pack on an S6? Surely it would be simpler and better to sell the S6 and buy an RS6.

theres a matter of cost. s6 and rs6 has a £20-30k difference in price. The other thing is the rs6 as a package of speed, handling etc is a much more complete package. You can make the s6 as fast as the rs6 in a straight line but I'm willing to put money on it that when going round a track the rs would walk all over it.
Like the s4 vs rs4 video they had similar straight line speed but the guy should have shown how they both handles on a track.
There are people with just an interest in straight line speed which is fine and much cheaper getting a s4/6 instead of the rs equivalent. A remap is about £500 which is much cheaper than £20-30k.
Just my 2p worth

[wildbore]

But the comparative cost has to be between a used S6 and a used RS6, not new - because nobody would do this to a new S6, surely? Also, there is a reason for the price differential - and part of that is all the other stuff under the bonnet that means the RS6 can support the bigger turbo pack. This includes additional cooling and engine strengthening, which can't be ignored if you up the turbo boost. Finally, there is the gearbox. The RS6 gets the ZF box because the S6 box can't take the additional torque reliably. So why up the output of an S6 to beyond that of an RS6? I would have thought a gearbox failure was an ever-present spectre. Finally, there is the hassle. You can p-ex a car in a morning, whereas all this effort spent tuning .... well, as said above: horses for courses. To my mind, you only start tuning when you have reached the top of the production ladder and you still want more.

[L3nnox]

But the comparative cost has to be between a used S6 and a used RS6, not new - because nobody would do this to a new S6, surely?

There is still a massive price difference between used C7s models..... At least £20k..

And if you have the money you will pimp anything....

[A6S]

It's in the blood of any car enthusiast to mess about with a car whether it's suspension, power or body kits etc
i miss the days where you need cams, exhaust etc to go faster nowadays a computer can make it all go faster.

[L3nnox]

It's in the blood of any car enthusiast to mess about with a car whether it's suspension, power or body kits etc
i miss the days where you need cams, exhaust etc to go faster nowadays a computer can make it all go faster.

Don't miss the peco exhausts, under car lighting and the Fido dido rear window stickers??

[fest0r]

"on a mission" with my Big Bore 4 :drive:

[retired99]

Haven't looked at this forum in ages but was browsing and this post caught my eye.

Used have an A6 Allroad BiTDi. Great car in many ways; fast ( in a straight line anyway ), quiet, comfortable, reliable, economical ( given the performance ). Did some long journeys to Bavaria four up with luggage and it excelled at speed on de-restricted autobahns , really stable through the bends (autobahns have bends at certain speeds......).

But, yes, it was boring. No fun to drive assertively on a twisting road. Bit of a barge really, slow turn in, reluctant to change direction quickly ( s bends ).


Went looking for an alternative.


Drove an RS6 in the morning and a Porsche Macan Turbo the same afternoon over the same route. A combination of twisties, A roads and motorways.


The RS6; brutally fast, a lot better than the Allroad in the corners, but a detached driving experience. Comfort pretty good.



Macan Turbo; quicker than the BiTDi in a straight line but in a different league in the corners. Would lose a drag race to the RS6 but would lose the RS6 though a twisty section of road. Much more fun to drive, it's not a Cayman but you're going to need a proper sports car or the very best hot hatch to beat it in the corners. Not as much space as the A6, but enough for me. Adjustable suspension gives a comfortable ride when required and it's really quiet at speed.

Bought the Porsche. No regrets. It encourages you to have fun. .

You're going to say it's expensive to buy.

Well, yes it is. Mine cost £68k new. BUT, and it's a big BUT, and I traded it in yesterday for £67k after six months and 8k miles against a new Macan Turbo. That's not a typo. Lost £1k over six months and 8k miles.

How long that sort of residual value will hold up I don't know, but they're never going to depreciate like an A6.

[Westyfield2]

Wow..... Just messed myself looking at that!!!
RS6 turbos on the S6 is getting a bit more popular on the US forums now.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160417/35317a36b7cfc7817c48db8a2ec8a0ee.jpg

[A6S]

They don't do corners :-)