Engine oil. What are you all using?

[vespa]

Just recently I have been bombarded with ads from Euro Car Parts and oil offers. They are offering Petronas oil and their Triple X all at discounted prices. I also noticed that Tesco are offering 5 ltrs of high quality own brand oil with VW 507.00 spec at £25 ish. I only use Castrol at present as per VW recommendations. (It seems many VW dealers use Quantum oil) What do you guys think and use?

Bear in mind that Tesco have major financial input into fuel distribution at present so may actually be able to have a top brand doing in house oils for them

[Guest 2]

Quantum LL3 5W30 507.00, castrol edge in a different label and cheaper.

[DMitch16]

The big supermarkets now have contracts with major oil manufacturers instead of 2nd tier producers which means they get car manufacturer spec oils in their own packaging. If the oil meets the stringent car manufacturer specifications then it's suitable for your car...period. The same applies to other fluids such as antifreeze as brands like TripleQX supplied by ECP are rated G12 (red) and G13 (purple) and are half the price or less of that supplied by the car manufacturer. It can only be a good thing for the DIY mechanic who doesn't have to worry that the Asda/Tesco/Sainsbury etc. oil that he's put in on a budget will cause problems later on.

[vespa]

Thank you for that. When my current stock of Castrol is used I will just go along with the dealer oil then. Service due this week with My supplied oil.

[RichardSEL]

The use of a fully synthetic meeting VW 504/507 (and saying so on the can) reduces but doesn't eliminate the need for intake manifold and valve tops / rocker gear cleaning on the direct injection 2.0L tFSI (BWA, BPY, AXX series)
Ever since my second year of ownership (end of warranty) have used Quantum ProLife 5W30. Now by direct delivery Hermes from eBait at £35 delivered. Item # 271937433578

@Vespa Is this "Tesco are offering 5 ltrs of high quality own brand oil with VW 507.00 spec at £25 ish" a fully synthetic?

[vespa]

The use of a fully synthetic meeting VW 504/507 (and saying so on the can) reduces but doesn't eliminate the need for intake manifold and valve tops / rocker gear cleaning on the direct injection 2.0L tFSI (BWA, BPY, AXX series)
Ever since my second year of ownership (end of warranty) have used Quantum ProLife 5W30. Now by direct delivery Hermes from eBait at £35 delivered. Item # 271937433578

@Vespa Is this "Tesco are offering 5 ltrs of high quality own brand oil with VW 507.00 spec at £25 ish" a fully synthetic?

Yes, it is fully synthetic with the 507 rating and VW approved written on the packaging. Suitable for DPF fitted cars. Here is a link. It does not show the 507 in the spec on the page or photo but does on the bottle. Tesco 5W30 Fully Synthetic Oil Vw/Audi 4L - Groceries - Tesco Groceries (http://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/?id=285281587)

[skomedal]

Nothing wrong with own brand oils.28535as long as they meet vw specs.

Sorry norwegian text

Helsyntetisk motorolje 5W–30, Longlifespesifikasjon VW 504.00 og 507.00

[Gazwould]

There are two types of marketing for 504.00 507.00 oil .

1. Approved , sample submitted for analysis to VW for a massive fee and if successful approval is given for mass production with quality control sample analysis at certain intervals , usually the oil is marketed at a premium .

Approved , VW's own Quantum LongLife III , Shell Helix Ultra , Mobil 1 ESP , Castrol Edge etc will all state the magic word ,"appoved."

2. Non approved - " meets or exceeds the requirements of..."

Usually marketing is cheaper but some will pull the wool over your eyes like Halfords 5L £42.99 .

Non approved , Halfords , highly likely Tesco , Comline , Asda etc .

How and who qualifies the oil I don't know , but I'm happy to use it as I change every 6 months regardless.

[DMitch16]

It is widely suggested Castrol supply both Asda and Tesco with engine oils currently (Asda used to be supplied by Texaco according to several sources out there) which means the oil in the bottle is likely to be very good, meets the appropriate standards but not the approval of the manufacturer (would anyone with a business approve the same product they use as being as good as theirs but at a fraction of their price? Not likely). Then there is the dealer markup - do you really think a dealer pays £10 or more a litre even for the best stuff? Not a chance - you do as a customer plus the labour to take old out and put new in but as the dealer orders in such large quantities they certainly pay a fraction of the retail cost per litre. Take the trade price and slash some more off it as economies of scale win every time.

[vwcabriolet1971]

Check oils proclaiming they meet the VW504/507 specs. Some oil companies say that their oil "meets" the VW specs . There is a world of difference between a makers claim that their oil "meets" VW specs and an oil which is approved (tested) by VW. Who verifies that that the oil "meets" the VW spec.? why the oil company of course ! If some oils are remarkably cheap - beware !

It takes a lot of money to pay VW to test oils - paid for by the oil companies. If it doesn't say "VW approved" on the tin/container then it isn't !

[RichardSEL]

Yes, it is fully synthetic with the 507 rating and VW approved written on the packaging. Suitable for DPF fitted cars. Here is a link. It does not show the 507 in the spec on the page or photo but does on the bottle. Tesco 5W30 Fully Synthetic Oil Vw/Audi 4L - Groceries - Tesco Groceries (http://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/?id=285281587)


That's £32 for 5L

Good points on approval. My label says: "Recommended by Comma for applications requiring: VW 504 00, VW 507 00; MB 229.51; BMW LL-04; PORSCHE C30; ACEA C3".
It's still a good reference that a known brand name would stand behind its product. But how one would go about checking such a claim, in the event of a dispute, is another matter. Comma's claimed specs can be got from:
http://www.commaoil.com/productsguide/view/6/169
(http://www.commaoil.com/productsguide/view/6/169)
What I'd like to know is what oil is being chucked in at warranty services at main dealers? It's not going to be Castrol (recommended by VW :o ) Us Tiptronic owners have already been through the "it's sealed for life, sir" saga of ATF change lies. So what el-cheeepo un-named soup are they dishing out?

[vespa]

It's interesting about the approved and meets the requirements of point. Surely the spec 507 means just that 507 and as good as?

[vespa]

That's £32 for 5L

(http://www.commaoil.com/productsguide/view/6/169)
What I'd like to know is what oil is being chucked in at warranty services at main dealers? It's not going to be Castrol (recommended by VW :o ) Us Tiptronic owners have already been through the "it's sealed for life, sir" saga of ATF change lies. So what el-cheeepo un-named soup are they dishing out?

I got the packaging size wrong (it's 4 ltrs, sorry) as I have looked at loads of alternatives to Castrol Edge (Which I am sticking to)

I worry about having a Tiptronic box as I still have doubts about what goes in on a change if I am not doing it.

[Gazwould]

Highly likely Quantum LongLife III is rebranded Castrol Edge .

Q LL3 is available from £26 for 5L .

[vespa]

Quantum is an American oil company. Their website mentions American car brands only unless I have the wrong website. I wonder why VW specify Castrol in their website and all over their cars yet dealers use Quantum? Because it's probably cheaper and meets spec 507. Products | Quantum Lubricants (http://www.qlubricants.com/products/)

[Guest 2]

Quantum is an American oil company. Their website mentions American car brands only unless I have the wrong website. I wonder why VW specify Castrol in their website and all over their cars yet dealers use Quantum? Because it's probably cheaper and meets spec 507. Products | Quantum Lubricants (http://www.qlubricants.com/products/)

Wrong quantum. quantum is a VW company with VW part numbers.

[vespa]

I stand corrected. Here is another link to UK Quantum and Castrol Quantum – Lubricants (http://quantum.thetradepartsspecialists.co.uk/products/lubricants/) and I also found the address is in Liverpool.

[Boris1239]

As I have just bought my B6 140 tdi I asked a vw specialist friend of mine what to use nod he said the Quantum 3 is what he uses in all the cars he services and for 27 on eBay from Audi dealer, not a bad price either. I was using ECP special on the Leon but will now use this on both as only went on their recommendation from reg..... stupidly.

[RichardSEL]

Highly likely Quantum LongLife III is rebranded Castrol Edge . Q LL3 is available from £26 for 5L .

Couldn't find the £26 delivered, but £27 delivered would suit me :rolleyes: EBay item #181803243553

Their website says: "Manufacturer Specifications Approved: VW 504 00, VW 507 00, BMW Longlife-04. Meets the Specification: MB 229.31 and 229.51".

[DMitch16]

Wrong quantum. quantum is a VW company with VW part numbers.

Quantum is not a VW company per se it is only a trademark in the UK registered to VW! The oil itself according to an American friend is that from Quantum Lubricants in the US owned by United Petroleum.

[Gazwould]

Aye ,

Quantum is a registered trade mark of Volkswagen Group United Kingdom Limited.
Yeomans Drive, Blakeland, Milton Keynes MK14 5AN

[DMitch16]

Question is however, that if you buy an approved VW spec "Long Life" oil, would you leave it in there for a Long Life service of 24K or 2 years? Might be ok for those with low mileage but for a 170 TDi like mine pushing 160K? Me, not a chance. I have been on 10K oil services since I bought her at 76K. I attribute the survival of the turbo and engine after the failure of the oil pump key in early March of this year to the strict servicing she has received. The oil change intervals are soon to be 7K or tri-annual oil services and therefore I do not entertain the need for Long Life oil as it is only in there for 6 months tops (4 months each time after the next one). I do 21K per year on average so regular oil changes are a must for me. Even "flushing" with a cheap oil first still does not stop the new cheapest-deal-I-can-get approved premium stuff from becoming black within a day! The balancer unit retains some of the dirty oil under the balance weights on the shafts so without actually rinsing the engine with something horrible (no way at 160K with the chance of dislodging dormant deposits) or doing a full strip down and rebuild, cleaning meticulously as I go, this situation is there to stay.

She only needs to last until March 2017 when it will be the right time to buy a new car - really not liking the UK car tax rules for new cars registered from 01/04/2017!!!

[vespa]

You will need to check the spec if you have a DPF though, won't you? Eg 507 with DPF regardless of mileage.

[Gazwould]

DPF or no DPF the high quality oil to use is 507.00.

I'm lucky , egr disabled and blanked and by using an oil extractor and sucking out an extra 150 ml from the oil cooler below the oil filter housing mine takes months to blacken .

B5.5 1.9 PD .

[DMitch16]

Mmmm? I have a screw cap underneath my oil cooler resembling the oil filter screw cap but upside down of course.
Should be able to release the oil in there too. Hadn't thought about the cooler.

[Gazwould]

Think it's the hole on the right that drops down into the oil cooler for mine .

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x247/couchtrooper/filtercarriercleanedout.jpg

[DMitch16]

The below is representative of my oil filter housing and cooler - nice screw cap at the bottom so should be able to drop another 150 / 200 ml out of there.

http://www.stevensvwspares.com/assets/images/parts/display/03522.JPG

[vespa]

It has been interesting having all your input. It is a way for me of learning about diesel engines in general as opposed to petrol. Also how much modern engines have changed in their requirements in the past 10-15 years.

[vwcabriolet1971]

It's interesting about the approved and meets the requirements of point. Surely the spec 507 means just that 507 and as good as?
No it doesn't mean the same. one is the claim by the oil company and one is the a claim supported by VW tests.

[vwcabriolet1971]

That's £32 for 5L

Good points on approval. My label says: "Recommended by Comma for applications requiring: VW 504 00, VW 507 00; MB 229.51; BMW LL-04; PORSCHE C30; ACEA C3".
It's still a good reference that a known brand name would stand behind its product. But how one would go about checking such a claim, in the event of a dispute, is another matter. Comma's claimed specs can be got from:
http://www.commaoil.com/productsguide/view/6/169
(http://www.commaoil.com/productsguide/view/6/169)
What I'd like to know is what oil is being chucked in at warranty services at main dealers? It's not going to be Castrol (recommended by VW :o ) Us Tiptronic owners have already been through the "it's sealed for life, sir" saga of ATF change lies. So what el-cheeepo un-named soup are they dishing out?

Comma "504/507" oil is NOT VW approved. and as such the application of this oil is only Comma's recommendation - big difference !

[vwcabriolet1971]

The big supermarkets now have contracts with major oil manufacturers instead of 2nd tier producers which means they get car manufacturer spec oils in their own packaging. If the oil meets the stringent car manufacturer specifications then it's suitable for your car...period. The same applies to other fluids such as antifreeze as brands like TripleQX supplied by ECP are rated G12 (red) and G13 (purple) and are half the price or less of that supplied by the car manufacturer. It can only be a good thing for the DIY mechanic who doesn't have to worry that the Asda/Tesco/Sainsbury etc. oil that he's put in on a budget will cause problems later on.
I wonder what the supermarkets would say if you asked them to substantiate their claim that their oil is VW approved ? Do they even check before putting it on the shelves ? Do they have the technical competence to check what the oil companies are telling them ? Is Tesco on the VW approved oil list ?

[Gazwould]

No supermarket oil is VW approved , neither is Halfords 504.00 507.00 at £42.99 .

It's usually " meets or exceeds the requirements of 504.00 507.00."

Approved is the magic word , if it doesn't state it , it isn't approved.

[vwcabriolet1971]

No supermarket oil is VW approved , neither is Halfords 504.00 507.00 at £42.99 .

It's usually " meets or exceeds the requirements of 504.00 507.00."

Approved is the magic word , if it doesn't state it , it isn't approved.
I asked the question re. Tesco VW approval status to provoke discussion . It's obvious to most people but not all !.

[skomedal]

Nothing wrong with own brand oils.as long as they meet vw specs.

spesifikasjon VW 504.00 og 507.00

Cannot see that this biltema oil has been sited for any case of engine/dpf failures/probs.

Company is Scandinavia based with millions of customers

Oil data sheet

http://www.biltema.no/Templates/Styles/Images/icons/pdf_icon_24x24_grey.jpg Datablad for bestanddeler_36925 (http://www.biltema.no/BiltemaDocuments/TechnicalDataSheets/36925_TDS.pdf)

[DMitch16]

Here is the low down on Tesco VW oil - it is made and supplied by Tetrosyl Limited part of the Tetrosyl Group who first brought us "T-Cut" and now the brands Car Plan and Carlube. So...the oil in the bottle is likely to be the same that is in the Carlube bottle sitting next to the Tesco bottle on the same shelf!! It is not "approved" by VW to my knowledge (I will have a look next time I'm in Tesco).

[Rob69]

To answer OP, Quantum Platinum, changed at 10k in my PD 1.9 tdi. Approved 505 01 for pd engines on fixed service interval.

[DMitch16]

To answer OP, Quantum Platinum, changed at 10k in my PD 1.9 tdi. Approved 505 01 for pd engines on fixed service interval.

As previously stated in this thread VW 505.01 should not be used for cars with a DPF but should be fine for non DPF turbo diesels on either variable or standard time and distance service intervals but NOT extended intervals.

See: Volkswagen Oil Specifications - oilspecifications.org (http://www.oilspecifications.org/volkswagen.php)

Make your own decision.

[Gazwould]

You forgot that wonderful Quantum Platinum 505.01 contradiction , Mich , of it being suitable for DPF except VW's with DPF , lol .

Rob , move from a medium quality oil to a high quality oil .

[oilman]

Own brand oils are the basic option, they are made by big companies (Castrol, Mobil, Shell, Fuchs etc), but to a lower budget than their own oils, so corners are cut (cheaper ingredients, less quality control, claiming approvals rather than being approved etc).

Oils can vary a lot, even though they say similar things on the label.


For example, there are three different types of synthetic basestocks, so there can be a big difference between the basic make up of oils, even though the labels essentially say the same thing.


http://www.opieoils.co.uk/pdfs/tech-articles/Basestock-categories-and-Descriptions.pdf


As you can see from that, oils labelled as synthetic can be mineral oil derived, proper genuine synthetics or ester based synthetics, all of which affect the price. Shell have thrown a spanner in the works with that classification as they now use a different method to produce the group 3 oils, which uses gas as the raw material and reduces the level of impurities in the finished product, so in theory the Shell group 3 basestock is pretty good stuff.


Another way of affecting the price of an oil is to alter the additive package.


http://www.opieoils.co.uk/pdfs/tech-articles/Oil-Additive-Package.pdf


The additive pack is a very important part of the oil and can greatly affect the oils properties, but it can be reduced in quality or quantity to reduce the production costs. That can mean that the oil will not last as long or work as well.


Quality control affects the price and quality, the more samples are tested during production, the more it costs, but the more likely it is to be what it says on the label. Some cheap oils have been found to be well out of grade (one of the worst I've heard of was something that was supposed to be a 5w-40 was actually a 20w-40).


Paying for the name is one way of looking at it, the other way is reassurance due to a trusted brand. Yes, Castrol, Shell and Mobil can be expensive, but everyone knows those brands and very few people have ever had problems with them. Some of the smaller brands are less well known and people don't know how good their products will be. That's not to say they won't be fine, but paying an extra few quid for peace of mind can be worth it.


Actual manufacturer approvals can cost a lot of money and that adds to the price of an oil, so a lot of manufacturers sell oils as 'meets the requirements of XXXX' or 'Can be used where XXXX is specified'. You then have to trust the oil manufacturer that the oil is actually suitable for the application, rather than the oil being approved. Don't risk that with cars under warranty, pretty much all manufacturers will void a warranty if the wrong oil is used. Some dealerships are testing the oil before they look at engine issues now, as if the oil is incorrect, they may be able to get out of doing the work.

Cheers

Tim

[vespa]

Thank you Tim, my current stock of Castrol and Millers diesel additive are from yourselves.

[zollaf]

some useful info there, buy cheap oil at your own risk..

[vespa]

With furthur searching from an earlier post on here from Mich have a look at the comparisons and this puts Tim's reply into perspective even more Oil Comparison and cross reference tool - oilspecifications.org (http://www.oilspecifications.org/oiltool/oiltool.php)

[DMitch16]

Read the Castrol Edge / Magnetec bottles anyone?

One states "Meets or exceeds", the other just has the standards marked on it (so it meets but does not boast it exceeds the manufacturers specs), of which one is the VW spec. So our famous Castrol oil is not an APPROVED VW oil it seems but by reputation and endorsement is chosen by many...

PS The Tesco VW oil is a "Meets or exceeds" type too.

The plot thickens

[vespa]

Read the Castrol Edge / Magnetec bottles anyone?

One states "Meets or exceeds", the other just has the standards marked on it (so it meets but does not boast it exceeds the manufacturers specs), of which one is the VW spec. So our famous Castrol oil is not an APPROVED VW oil it seems but by reputation and endorsement is chosen by many...

PS The Tesco VW oil is a "Meets or exceeds" type too.

The plot thickens

So does the oil :biglaugh:

[DMitch16]

With furthur searching from an earlier post on here from Mich have a look at the comparisons and this puts Tim's reply into perspective even more Oil Comparison and cross reference tool - oilspecifications.org (http://www.oilspecifications.org/oiltool/oiltool.php)

I have used that before Vespa and put in the VW507 specification search which brought up 17 oils that meet the specification with the usual offenders listed Castrol Edge, Valvoline, Shell Helix, Fuchs, PETRONAS etc. Hence I have bought PETRONAS SYNPOWER AV 5000 from ECP at £24.99 / 4L with a free Bosch Oil Filter (worth a fiver). £25 for an oil change with really good stuff AND a filter???...that's a BargaFin - yes an F in Bargain!! :beerchug:

[vespa]

I have had that offer several times over the past weeks but not taken them up.

[oilman]

With furthur searching from an earlier post on here from Mich have a look at the comparisons and this puts Tim's reply into perspective even more Oil Comparison and cross reference tool - oilspecifications.org (http://www.oilspecifications.org/oiltool/oiltool.php)


I like that oil tool, haven't seen that before. I wouldn't take the percentage rating on there too seriously, it's not really a real world way of looking at things. For example, I had a look at a Agip 75w-140, it's closest alternative was listed as the same oil, but in 75w-90. In reality, that's miles off as if a diff needs 75w-140, a 75w-90 could cause a lot of wear and noise and if a 75w-90 was required in a gearbox, a 75w-140 could make gear changes very difficult. Other than that, it's really good for looking at alternatives.

As far as oils go, basically, don't use budget or own brand oil and there is very little to worry about in a standard car. Even if an oil is not actually approved, I wouldn't worry if it's from a reputable company.
Cheers

Tim

[Gazwould]

And any info Tim on the cheapest approved 504.00 507.00 that you don't sell, the VW trademark owned Quantum LongLife III ?

[oilman]

Not really. I think it was produced by Castrol at one point, but not sure now. As far as own brand oils go, I think it's okay, but it is a group III hydrocracked oil, rather than a proper synthetic. In fairness, most 504/507 oils are hydrocracked.

Cheers

Tim

[Gazwould]

Why is there info from a German labritory that 504.00 507.00 is made from groups 3 , 4 and top group 5 esters ?


28545

[RichardSEL]

I have used that before Vespa and put in the VW507 specification search which brought up 17 oils that meet the specification with the usual offenders listed Castrol Edge, Valvoline, Shell Helix, Fuchs, PETRONAS etc. Hence I have bought PETRONAS SYNPOWER AV 5000 from ECP at £24.99 / 4L with a free Bosch Oil Filter (worth a fiver). £25 for an oil change with really good stuff AND a filter???...that's a BargaFin - yes an F in Bargain!! :beerchug:

Unfortunately, the promotion has "expired", according to ECP.

With a consumption of 1L per 2,400 miles-ish I feel confident my Comma stuff won't suddenly turn to water.
Nor will the Quantum III I'll be using next. But it'd be daft to go to a no-name soup at nothing-pence for a vat of the stuff.

Long ago and far away I drove an Armstrong Siddley Lancaster (how much worth today?) Used to burn a sump full every two hundred miles or so. So used to use "commercial" grade. Whatever that was, it was rather thick. So much so had to park on a hill in winter and roll down to bump start. "Eeee y'don't know y'born, lad..." etc :Blush:

[oilman]

Hi

That's why I said most are hydrocracked. There are some that are group IV, but I'm not sure if there are any approved ones that are group V.

Cheers

Tim

[vwcabriolet1971]

[QUOTE=DMitch16;973695]Read the Castrol Edge / Magnetec bottles anyone?

One states "Meets or exceeds", the other just has the standards marked on it (so it meets but does not boast it exceeds the manufacturers specs), of which one is the VW spec. So our famous Castrol oil is not an APPROVED VW oil it seems but by reputation and endorsement is chosen by many...

PS The Tesco VW oil is a "Meets or exceeds" type too.


Castrol edge 5W-30 504/507 IS approved by VW ! This oil is even in my official VW Golf TDI handbook & is on the approved VW oil list !
Castrol magnetic is NOT 504/507 VW approved and has never been labelled as such.
Seems there is still a lot of confusion over oil specs !
I'm amazed that my tongue in cheek comments about Supermarket oil specs were taken at face value - I only posted these to show how ridiculous some spec claims are !

[DMitch16]

Here you go - VW do not publish an Approved list per se but a "Meets the Oil Quality Standards of VW" list. So called "approved" oils are therefore not technically approved but do meet their standards and are on the VW list (I have renamed this the "VW Recommended Oil List").

http://my-gti.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/volkswagen_technical_bulletin17-08-01engine_oils.pdf

This is not the most up to date list so is STILL not exhaustive but most of the oils are currently marketed.

[vwcabriolet1971]

Here you go - VW do not publish an Approved list per se but a "Meets the Oil Quality Standards of VW" list. So called "approved" oils are therefore not technically approved but do meet their standards and are on the VW list (I have renamed this the "VW Recommended Oil List").

http://my-gti.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/volkswagen_technical_bulletin17-08-01engine_oils.pdf

This is not the most up to date list so is STILL not exhaustive but most of the oils are currently marketed.

Semantics ! It used to be called the VW approved oil list.

Here is a later list- google "VW approved oil list 2015" - "www.anciravolkswagen.com/blogs/949/.../2015/.../Approved-Oil-List.pd (http://www.anciravolkswagen.com/blogs/949/.../2015/.../Approved-Oil-List.pd)..."

[RichardSEL]

Thanks for the list...

Not only is Quantum Longlife III SAE 5W-30 listed by VW as meeting 504/507,
it's also the best buy for serious-named engine oil at £27 for 5L :fing02:

[DMitch16]

Semantics ! It used to be called the VW approved oil list.

Here is a later list- google "VW approved oil list 2015" - "www.anciravolkswagen.com/blogs/949/.../2015/.../Approved-Oil-List.pd (http://www.anciravolkswagen.com/blogs/949/.../2015/.../Approved-Oil-List.pd)..."

Ha ha ha! Still only a list of "oils that meet..." ignoring the fact that an American franchise dealer has decided to name a VW TSB as an approved list on their web site.

[vwcabriolet1971]

It's still an official VW bulletin.

[vwcabriolet1971]

Ha ha ha! Still only a list of "oils that meet..." ignoring the fact that an American franchise dealer has decided to name a VW TSB as an approved list on their web site.

It's still an official VW bulletin and a much more up to date one at that . Ha Ha.

[DMitch16]

It's still an official VW bulletin and a much more up to date one at that . Ha Ha.

Ha ha ha!! Can't get more up to date than this...1997 to 2016

READ: TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN - AUDI * DeniaHauskauf.Com (http://www.deniahauskauf.com/file/technical-service-bulletin-audi.aspx)

TSB 17 15 57 2010043/14

All the standards listed are VWS.

[DMitch16]

Unfortunately, the promotion has "expired", according to ECP

Still available on their Web site but yours works out as good a bargain as you get 5L versus 4L and a filter.

PS Someone else is selling Quantum III on the bay for less than £25 and free delivery!

[DMitch16]

Conceding now VWCabriolet1971 that we are both right as the Audi TSB list although being more up to date does have a paragraph header on the 2nd page of..."Approved Engine Oils" stating that the following oils listed meet the VW Standards blah, blah, blah.

[RichardSEL]

Dupe

[vespa]

Well this thread certainly got the grey matter working in many people on here. The original Castrol Edge and Mobil 1 were produced at Ellesmere Port. The production has been transferred over the Pennines now but I cannot remember which refinery. At the time there was a big uproar on the Wirral as there was talk of jobs losses due to that unit shutting down. I think I will stick to either dealer supplied or my own supply of Castrol as stamped all over the car.

[RichardSEL]

Yes, but what is "dealer supplied"? Betcha is some brown windsor soup they buy in in bulk with the motto: "give 'em anything, they won't know..."

[Gazwould]

Like a chap that was supplied Quantum Turbo Diesel 15W40 505.00 1/97 by his local independent for a 2004 1.9 PD Passat .


It's wrong and discontinued by Quantum and thus likely to be old stock .