Terraclean anyone?

[JimC64]

Anyone considered Terra Clean?

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=terra%20clean&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CF0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.terraclean.co.uk%2F&ei=2o0VUPuLFOLP0QXFsYHYDA&usg=AFQjCNGgObsnj5gZtjLcVWnLfLENE5KDqw&sig2=n6ROokm2iRXu3p6HGqJ81w

As seen on Wheeler Dealers

http://youtu.be/sKTp2DjugOA


http://youtu.be/9sjZ1wib34w


This process is available for both petrol and diesel engines.

Something I'm considering doing to my Audi A6. She's now sitting at 95k miles and is running fairly sweetly to be honest.

I have recently replaced the fuel filter and also removed the EGR valve and decarbonised that, I stopped short of removing the intake manifold though so I'm sure I could still see some benefit from this.

I know of a few friends from my Jaguar forum who have had this done and say great things about it. One in particular is taking his wifes car, his brothers and his Father in laws back to be done.
At a cost of around £70 it definitely sounds worthwhile to me and won't break the bank.

Unfortunately demand is so great right now with still only a few dealers set up that it may not happen tomorrow.

Anyone any thoughts on this?

[Guest 2]

Hi Jim,

I knew someone had asked before on here Question Terraclean De-carbonizing (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?132523-Terraclean-De-carbonizing)

Not considered it myself (and probably won't) but not sure what benefit it would make on a diesel.

[JimC64]

Cheers Chris.

Why would you think it wouldn't work just as well on a diesel?
Have you looked at their website Chris? There are some pretty good videos there and some quick examples of why it would be.

Having cleaned my EGR as you know, which at 95k miles wasn't nearly as bad as some I'd seen pics of, but nonetheless had enough of a sooty build up to need cleaned.
I didn't get around to the intake manifold etc so I'm sure it could still see some benefit for sure.

If this does what it says it does ( I've had recommendations from several people I know on forums who have had it done and swear blind its helped ) on the tin for £70 I'll give it a go.

Just paid to get a fresh new fuel filter installed and cabin filter, look after my tyres and change them when needed, same with pads n discs, air filter so the car can breathe more easily. I do regular oil + filter changes to keep things fresh as well so....................makes sense to me.:beerchug:

[JimC64]

Turns out there's a place by me in Glasgow.

I called the owner / operator, Scott Berry and have arranged to call in on Wednesday afternoon to get this done.

The cost is £85 and includes a before and after emmissions test that will show the results. I'm hoping to get a few snapshots, perhaps a video of the process and post up before and after about the results.

Also, moving forward if I manage to achieve any noticeable gains in mpg :beerchug:

[Eshrules]

Not enough proof to support their claims for me. Smacks of an expensive redex treatment.

I'd want to see some proper statistical analysis that shows this treatment actually works.

Making claims like
TerraClean solutions and products which all help make; motorcycles, cars, vans, trucks & agricultural vehicles operate more efficient and environmentally friendly, restoring MPG and performance. are far too vague and I'm surprised people are mug enough to pay for it.

[JimC64]

Wow.....................WOW.
I'm a mug now Esh??:zx11:

You need to get a grip mate.............you're "supposed" to be a moderator!
If you started that on my forum, you'd be history pretty quickly, I can tell you.

By all means, if you think you know better, or even if you disagree with me by all means say so, but with those comments you go too far for me.

Not cool

[Eshrules]

Wow.....................WOW.
I'm a mug now Esh??:zx11:

You need to get a grip mate.............you're "supposed" to be a moderator!
If you started that on my forum, you'd be history pretty quickly, I can tell you.

By all means, if you think you know better, or even if you disagree with me by all means say so, but with those comments you go too far for me.

Not cool

If i thought you were a mug, I'd tell you straight, regardless of my position on the forum - I'm not known for mincing my words on VWAF.
What I actually said was,


Not enough proof to support their claims for me. Smacks of an expensive redex treatment.

I'd want to see some proper statistical analysis that shows this treatment actually works.

Making claims like <insert quote from cleaning website> are far too vague and I'm surprised people are mug enough to pay for it.

I am a moderator, moderators are entitled to express their opinion(s) and that's what I did, I apologise if that offends you.

[JimC64]

To be honest with you Esh, generally I'm a fairly straight talking guy and face to face I'm sure we'd talk it out. You have your opinion and I have mine, thats the way of the world. There's mincing your words and there's being just plain offensive.

Forum life is about the written word and different from the real world as I'm sure you know. Sometimes tact is needed and I'm afrad you lack this, certainly this time.
I've never had a problem with you or any other moderator Esh and don't intend to if I can help it, its not my way.
Suffice to say I'm disappointed in your choice of words and think you could have worded it better, no matter what your opinions may be.



Every forum is different, I'm a member of around 9 all in I guess. An Admin on one, a moderator on two others and a regular member on several others.
Some I frequent more than others, and some I use for information only............and there's a good reason for that, not all forums are equal.

A good moderator may weild a big stick, but use it sparingly and always have the best interests of the members at heart. Being a moderator doesn't entitle you or anyone to go at it like a bull in a china shop and cause offence. In fact the opposite should be true and a moderator should be looking to keep things calm and on the straight and narrow.............maybe your views and mine on that are different too?

As Admin or moderator I may disagree with a member, but I'd never tell it straight like that, even though I would probably in real life............my words would be minced in other words.

Hopefully we can agree to disagree and put this away?

The Terraclean goes ahead tomorrow and I'll post up my findings and see if they match up with Ed China and Wheeler Dealers.
I'd be surprised if many thought that they or the TV company they represent were mugs, but I could be wrong..........I have been before.

[Eshrules]

To be honest with you Esh, generally I'm a fairly straight talking guy and face to face I'm sure we'd talk it out. You have your opinion and I have mine, thats the way of the world. There's mincing your words and there's being just plain offensive.

Forum life is about the written word and different from the real world as I'm sure you know. Sometimes tact is needed and I'm afrad you lack this, certainly this time.
I've never had a problem with you or any other moderator Esh and don't intend to if I can help it, its not my way.
Suffice to say I'm disappointed in your choice of words and think you could have worded it better, no matter what your opinions may be.



Every forum is different, I'm a member of around 9 all in I guess. An Admin on one, a moderator on two others and a regular member on several others.
Some I frequent more than others, and some I use for information only............and there's a good reason for that, not all forums are equal.

A good moderator may weild a big stick, but use it sparingly and always have the best interests of the members at heart. Being a moderator doesn't entitle you or anyone to go at it like a bull in a china shop and cause offence. In fact the opposite should be true and a moderator should be looking to keep things calm and on the straight and narrow.............maybe your views and mine on that are different too?

As Admin or moderator I may disagree with a member, but I'd never tell it straight like that, even though I would probably in real life............my words would be minced in other words.

Hopefully we can agree to disagree and put this away?

The Terraclean goes ahead tomorrow and I'll post up my findings and see if they match up with Ed China and Wheeler Dealers.
I'd be surprised if many thought that they or the TV company they represent were mugs, but I could be wrong..........I have been before.

Jim,

I've been a member of VWAF for 6 years, I've always posted in my own (some call unique) honest 'spade's a spade' manner and will continue to do so - whether people agree with it or not.

My post has nothing to do with my moderator status, it's my opinion and (to repeat a phrase I often use on here) every member is entitled to their own.

You're right in that no two forums are the same and I think the way VWAF is moderated strikes the perfect balance. You can agree or disagree with that, that's your perogative and you're entitled to it.

As I said, I'd be interested in seeing some proper statistical analysis of how Terraclean affects the emissions and MPG of a vehicle, not hearsay or doctored testimonials, I mean properly conducted scientific studies.

If a firm's charging £70 a pop for these treatments, they should have some decent scientific research behind it to be able to explain to sceptics like me, why it's worth the £70 fee.

[JimC64]

Jim,

I've been a member of VWAF for 6 years, I've always posted in my own (some call unique) honest 'spade's a spade' manner and will continue to do so - whether people agree with it or not.

My post has nothing to do with my moderator status, it's my opinion and (to repeat a phrase I often use on here) every member is entitled to their own.

You're right in that no two forums are the same and I think the way VWAF is moderated strikes the perfect balance. You can agree or disagree with that, that's your perogative and you're entitled to it.

As I said, I'd be interested in seeing some proper statistical analysis of how Terraclean affects the emissions and MPG of a vehicle, not hearsay or doctored testimonials, I mean properly conducted scientific studies.

If a firm's charging £70 a pop for these treatments, they should have some decent scientific research behind it to be able to explain to sceptics like me, why it's worth the £70 fee.

The above answer is fair enough Esh and I can relate to that..............the earlier comment? No!

Have you had a look at the website?
Have you seen the system in use with before and after emmissions results? They are there!

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CF8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.terraclean.co.uk%2F&ei=uNwXUK7WFoWk0QXHyIDoCQ&usg=AFQjCNGgObsnj5gZtjLcVWnLfLENE5KDqw&sig2=2DZPzkK1jtm6cJY7Av2NxQ


http://youtu.be/sKTp2DjugOA


The link below...........go into the Video section and look at the scientifics behind it

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=terraclean.net&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CGEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.terraclean.net%2F&ei=xN0XUJLIDqaW0QXIlIDIBA&usg=AFQjCNHRuWD1P4o9Gkci7Ov5lRk5enOW1A&sig2=eJybtdoG3ZWYU7IHvGfhwg

The link below is to a post / testimonial done by one of the guys on one of my Jag forums.
He loves his car, takes very good care of it and does a lot of DIY himself as well as many upgrades.
He is one that will also call a spade a spade and say if something is right or not......his testimonial forms part of his post I guess

Terraclean as seen on Wheeler Dealers...my results! (http://www.jaguarforum.co.uk/f19/terraclean-seen-wheeler-dealers-my-results-45958.html?highlight=terraclean)


Personally, I don't think I have a problem with my emmissions, I'm interested to see what it does for my mpg.
If I can get another 3-4mpg or even a little less, it will pay for itself and save money going forward.

BTW - I should add I'm not involved with them for commercial gain in any way shape or form....lol

[Eshrules]

I had a look at their website, I read their testimonials (in my post above), I saw the claims they make - but I see no scientific studies to prove their claims.

Running an additive through a car, with a video and (what could be) doctored emissions readings are not scientific.

The background for this product is a chance discovery, made not by terraclean but by a
group of environmentally conscious Canadian physicists

Terraclean have proven it works, apparently but -
The point was proven, all the carbon which would have build up in this vehicle
throughout its years of operation was gone. Regrettably the running costs of operating a vehicle full time on the chemical solution with the molecular injector as part of the vehicle made the project commercially non viable

MPG improvement is very difficult to gauge on a used car with a driver who alters their driving pattern - consciously or not.

What I'd like to see, is a variable controlled study with a pair of identical vehicles - one with terraclean treatment(s), one without. I highly doubt however that Terraclean will ever commission such a study. If they do and prove me wrong, I'll eat my own hair.

[JimC64]

Lol.....Ok Esh, I think we all know where you stand on this and you're entitled to your opinion.

Anyhow, I'm not trying to convince, you, or anybody for that matter, I'm just putting it out there.

I guess we'll see in a few weeks / months time if my car falls apart / refuses to start or run..........or whether I get better emmissions and or increased mpg benefits, not that if I do you'll believe me of course.....lol

God forbid that Terraclean should ever commission such a study Esh as I'm sure you're ugly enough with hair, let alone without;)
( Please note the use of a smiley to indicate a little humour was used :biglaugh: )

[as400]

I would certainly give this a go if there were something in Surrey. My previous car was a Mercedes E320cdi and exhibited signs of "black death" where the injectors leak and carbon deposits start to develop. If not caught soon it can be very serious and expensive!. If this process does anything to help clear up some of the internal crap then for £70 I think it would be worth doing, my car has done 90K now and deserves a treat!...will look out for a local supplier.

[Crasher]

More snake oil, I have seen so much of it in the last 30 years I have lost track. If you could see how much chemical and physical effort is required to remove 1-mm of carbon build up you would know instantly that a quick rinse with any chemical is not going to shift anything of merit. If a TDI has an inlet manifold with a 1-cm thick layer of crud (I kid you not, I have used a depth gauge) there is no way on Gods earth this stuff is going to make an impression when I have to use a screw driver and an old spoon to dig it out to start with and then it spends 24 hours in industrial grade alkali which can eat into the ally more than the crud! The carbon on inlet ports is so hard that it has to be rotary wire bushed out before chemi cleaning. Jim, I am confused about your reaction to Esh's “mug” comment, it was an observation he is at liberty to make and did not come across to me as a direct hit at you, I think you should cool it a little.

[JimC64]

Crasher, thanks for your comments, I appreciate your input and respect your views. I've seen your knowledge and expertise at work in many hundreds of posts.

I'll agree that there is a "possibility" I'm wrong if you can concede that there is a chance that this product may actually does what it says on the tin? After all, we're always moving forward are we not and things do change?

As for Esh's comment, perhaps it wasn't directed at me, but as I'm the one discussing it I guess it did sting some. I'll be honest with you Crasher, I don't really think I said anything that was out of order, only truths that I'm at liberty to post too and I wouldn't do it in the same manner either.

I'm hopeful its behind us and we can move on, as generally I have great respect for members like your self, the mods and Admin who put in a great amount of time and effort.

As for the Terraclean?
I trust Ed Chinas judgement, that, along with many testimonials and that of a few of my Jag owners who have had it done.

Thanks again for your input

Jim

[as400]

Jim, I am confused about your reaction to Esh's “mug” comment, it was an observation he is at liberty to make and did not come across to me as a direct hit at you, I think you should cool it a little.

Funny I interpreted it as a direct insult on Jim, he said he would consider buying the product and Crasher (sorry Esh!?) said anyone who buys it is a mug. Pretty obvious really and not the first time has made a moronic comment.

Every board has a 'character' that enjoys winding people up and its pretty obvious who it is on here!....

If you believe an advertised product possibly has some weak points by all means pass on your opinion, don't call other respected members on here a mug.


"If you behave like a moron, expect to be treated like one."

Says it all really.

[Eshrules]

Funny I interpreted it as a direct insult on Jim, he said he would consider buying the product and Crasher (sorry Esh!?) said anyone who buys it is a mug. Pretty obvious really and not the first time has made a moronic comment.

Every board has a 'character' that enjoys winding people up and its pretty obvious who it is on here!....

If you believe an advertised product possibly has some weak points by all means pass on your opinion, don't call other respected members on here a mug.


"If you behave like a moron, expect to be treated like one."

Says it all really.

This is the second time you've waded in on a thread which you'd not previously posted on, making your witty remarks.

I'll ask you again to contact me via pm and explain what your issue with me is.

Either that or you desist with the irrelevant stirring.

Of course, if you have an issue with me or my conduct you can contact Stuart, the site owner with your concerns.

[JimC64]

This is the second time you've waded in on a thread which you'd not previously posted on, making your witty remarks.
I'll ask you again to contact me via pm and explain what your issue with me is.
Either that or you desist with the irrelevant stirring.
Of course, if you have an issue with me or my conduct you can contact Stuart, the site owner with your concerns.

Hold on Esh, If you look at my very first post AS400 was the first to like / thank it and was watching, presumably with some interest, perhaps he just wanted to see where it went before commenting?

As for witty remarks Esh? Don't you think its fair that if you're going to dish them out you have to take them too, moderator or not?
I'll ask that as you made the intial comment that started this, you show some leeway.

As a moderator, yes you help out the forum, but, perhaps a little heavy handed at times I think some feel.

I feel that AS400 was standing up for what he believes to be right, no more no less...........personally I don't think he's said anything more out of line than the comment you made initially.

Can we please let it go and get back on topic?

[man le-mans]

This is the best thread i've seen for ages.

As for terraclean if it gets you through a MOT and does clean your engine even a small amount to past an MOT is £70 that much i think not. How much more would it be to completely strip and clean a engine ££££££££ Not that i have ever used it or needed to

[JimC64]

This is the best thread i've seen for ages.

As for terraclean if it gets you through a MOT and does clean your engine even a small amount to past an MOT is £70 that much i think not. How much more would it be to completely strip and clean a engine ££££££££ Not that i have ever used it or needed to


Thanks man............To be fair my car sailed through its last MOT a little while ago, no black smoke from exhaust either. Mpg is ok but could be better.
I've recently taken my EGR valve off and cleaned it. Was it sooted up totally?.....No
Was there a significant build up at 95k miles.....Yes
I never took the intake manifold off, which is probably as bad, maybe worse, then of course right through the system and out the exhaust will be coated to a degree as well.

£70 is an average night out in town and won't break the bank.........If the system does what it says on the tin and helps to clear out the system on top of the new fuel filter, oil n filter change and EGR valve cleaning done recently..........great, I'll be happy and may see a few extra mpg too, all good IMO.

Thanks for your comments

[Eshrules]

My post was aimed at as400 and aimed at as400 for a specific reason.

Bring an admin/mod of 9 sites, you'll understand how obstructive it can be when other members chime in on a thread to do nothing more than prod the hornets nest.

But thanks for your concern, it's been duly noted.

[as400]

This is the second time you've waded in on a thread which you'd not previously posted on, making your witty remarks.

I'll ask you again to contact me via pm and explain what your issue with me is.

Either that or you desist with the irrelevant stirring.

Of course, if you have an issue with me or my conduct you can contact Stuart, the site owner with your concerns.

Yes it is the second time, the first was when you made a particularly stupid and immature comment about Thailand.

"Thailand that place where women aren't actually women 90% of the time"

If you continue to make moronic comments that display your lack of intelligence I will continue to retort, like wise if you speculate on members here being "mugs" then likewise I will comment.


As a moderator perhaps it is your own comments you should initially take time to moderate before berating others?

Hopefully this thread can now return to topic, if you insist on replying please make it an intelligent one.

[zollaf]

a good italian tune up, and a cup of petrol in the tank, will get most clogged up diesels through an mot test, and that costs a lot less.

[JimC64]

Hey Zollaf..........you're missing the point though buddy.

Its not just to get through an MOT test, my cars fine in that respect.
Italian tune up is old school....lol
Fun though!

[zollaf]

the video with the jag, how hot was the engine when they first tested it. not hot i suspect, but it was when it was tested after running for an hour with this terraclean in it. any petrol car will kick out high emissions when first started from cold as the cats not working and its running rich, a choke in the old days but done by the ecu today. so really, unless done under scientific conditions, like measuring the engine temp before hand and carrying out the test properly, you can't say it works.

[as400]

the video with the jag, how hot was the engine when they first tested it. not hot i suspect, but it was when it was tested after running for an hour with this terraclean in it. any petrol car will kick out high emissions when first started from cold as the cats not working and its running rich, a choke in the old days but done by the ecu today. so really, unless done under scientific conditions, like measuring the engine temp before hand and carrying out the test properly, you can't say it works.


Good point there Zollaf.

You see Jim, I reckon we would be a couple of mugs paying out for this!

Oh wait! ;-)

[JimC64]

the video with the jag, how hot was the engine when they first tested it. not hot i suspect, but it was when it was tested after running for an hour with this terraclean in it. any petrol car will kick out high emissions when first started from cold as the cats not working and its running rich, a choke in the old days but done by the ecu today. so really, unless done under scientific conditions, like measuring the engine temp before hand and carrying out the test properly, you can't say it works.

Ok, we'll go on your "suspicions" then because thats clearly scientific!
You can't say it doesn't.


Good point there Zollaf.
You see Jim, I reckon we would be a couple of mugs paying out for this!
Oh wait! ;-)

Clearly we must be.

[Sam]

What Esh said was "I'm surprised people are mug enough to pay for it." Mug enough not "YOU ARE A MUG IF YOU PAY FOR THIS" or "SWEET LORD IN HEAVEN YOU ARE A MOUTHBREATHING MORON IF YOU BUY THIS", he said, "mug enough" or - at least in my level headed unbiased opinion - frivolous enough.

At no point did he call anyone a mug. If you inferred that from his post then that says more about you than him.

I've looked at the site, the videos, I've read forum threads from 2008 (this isn't a new thing by any stretch) and from what I can see there is no scientific research and/or proof that this works. The company themselves said it was not financially viable to continue prolonged testing. If the product they're selling is as good as they say, surely they'd be able to recoup any expenses incurred on 'proper' research.

For years people have dropped mineral oil into the diesel tanks when filling up (200:1 mix I believe) to do exactly what this is claiming to do. I've no idea if this is as useful on the CR engines, but it's worked in the past, for a very long time.

What we do with our money is up to us, but when you turn to a crowd to get an opinion, you're going to get one, whether you agree with it or not.

This petty witch hunt and trying to score points by being the most sarcastic stops now.

Discuss the product or alternatives Jim mentioned in his opening post.

To pre-empt any claims of being biased, one sided, sticking together and all that crap, I am my own person with my own opinion regardless of my position here.

[zollaf]

i could take 2 identical cars, start them both from cold and carry out an emissions test. they would both fail with high emissions. i could them take one and do some magic to it and retest them both, but the one i have played with is hot. now the hot one will pass and the cold one will fail.
if in that video, he had measured the engines temp with the oil probe, or even just shown us a shot of the temp gauge, then i would be less suspicious. i cannot prove my thoughts, but neither can that presenter. maybe he did measure temps, maybe this stuff does work, maybe the temps were edited out, who knows.

[JimC64]

WOW!

You guys are unbelievable.........any name calling, petty witch hunt or whatever you want to call it, certainly wasn't started by me:zx11:

I simply mentioned about a product that is becoming more and more popular in todays marketplace, then yes, asked for opinions, good or bad is always to be expected.

I've been on this site a long time and contributed regularly, with no issues in the past.
When asking for opinions, yes of course you expect good and bad, and get them

I see some people posting pics of their cars, which may not be as new as mine, or IMO as clean / shiny or whatever, they may have done some chavvy type mod to it even, but then thats their choice.
Usally I try and find something positive to comment on and don't concentrate on the negatives and also whether as a member / mod or Admin in a "polite" way..................We could all easily sink to the depths and come away with some low ball comments, but it wouldn't be much of a forum then, now would it?
Maybe that says more about me than some other people here, who can only find negatives and revel in posting them.

As a lowly member Sam, can I "suggest" that any / all comments / posts including ths one that aren't directly related to the topic be removed and the thread cleaned up. Only a suggestion of course and totally up to you.

Hopefully we can get back on topic for those that may follow this thread with any type of genuine interest and move on.
Thanks in advance

Edit - Just seen your post Zollaf, thanks.

[Sam]

WOW!
You guys are unbelievable.........any name calling, petty witch hunt or whatever you want to call it, certainly wasn't started by me:zx11:.

I assume by 'you guys' you mean me? If you read my post again I didn't attack anyone, I didn't accuse anyone, I didn't insult or even name anyone, I simply stated my opinion and asked for things to move on.

I can't clean the thread without editing everyone's posts (because some contain 'banter' as well as advice) and I dislike editing posts that are not my own so I'm afraid I wont be removing any myself.

[gupsterg]

Hopefully we can get back on topic for those that may follow this thread with any type of genuine interest and move on.
Thanks in advance

I gotta agree with above...

The comment in question...


Not enough proof to support their claims for me. Smacks of an expensive redex treatment.

I'd want to see some proper statistical analysis that shows this treatment actually works.

Making claims like are far too vague and I'm surprised people are mug enough to pay for it.

I must agree with mycarsavw that it was not directed at Jim and just in general terms...

I think Jim has said he acknowledged this...


Lol.....Ok Esh, I think we all know where you stand on this and you're entitled to your opinion.

and here...


As for Esh's comment, perhaps it wasn't directed at me, but as I'm the one discussing it I guess it did sting some. I'll be honest with you Crasher, I don't really think I said anything that was out of order, only truths that I'm at liberty to post too and I wouldn't do it in the same manner either.

so let's just all leave picking at text and get on with thread :flowers1:

gotta say Zolly's comments are bang on :beerchug:
gotta agree with Crasher on that sometimes additives are no replacement for good old fashioned manual cleaning :beerchug:

but gotta agree with Jim that things move on... so we must keep open mind and try :)

[apole]

Hi Jim,

I did see the TV programme when they tried this on a Jag. Some things I noted were that the before and after tests, was the car at the same temperature on both tests, and how did the tests look after a few miles/weeks of driving (i.e. did the lower readings last or were they short term?).

Also if you read up on it the normal fuel supply is cut off and replaced with the 2 different cans of cleaner. The TV program ran the Jag with this stuff for nearly an hour. I don't think a big Jag will run that long on 2 small cans of fuel, so suspect they put several through which you won't get in a single treatment.

I'm always open to new ideas but not sure how good this would be. I won't be trying on my car as it's FSI so no such additive would treat the inlet valves on my type of engine, would be different on yours though.

How would this compare to using a higher quality fuel such as V power long term I wonder.

So Jim, I guess it would be worth giving it a go, having a good idea of your economy etc up front so you can compare before and after. Then maybe putting V power or similar through occasionally or all the time to keep it cleaner?

Just an idea, with no hard facts on any of it we can't tell for sure but it's always worth looking into these things.

[Crasher]

Was the Jag in the program Petrol or fuel of the devil?

[zollaf]

real fuel crasher, real fuel. (petrol), although diesel is the way forward for nice low down grunt and economy, and if you have an older diesel, like i do, a reliable engine. petrol lost the edge when they stopped using big carbs :)

[Crasher]

Its what I thought, I would love to see a test done on a VAG PD TDI with a clogged intake, before and after shots. Petrol engines these days don't get clogged like they used to.

[zollaf]

when i rebuilt my engine, i cleaned the inlet manifold out. i soaked it in the parts washer, scrapped out some gunge, jetwashed it, wire brushed it, set fire to it, scrapped some more, wire brushed it with a drill, set fire to it again, more scraping, etc etc... you get the story. after many hours it was finally pretty clean. nothing touches that stuff and mine wasn't bad, having had the egr blanked off 100k miles ago.

[JimC64]

Ok, thanks for all the comments so far from everyone..........whether they're for the process with an open mind or dead set against it, doesn't matter, as long as the debate is kept civil.

I visited Scott at warpspeedperformance, based in Kilbirnie and had the treatment done today at around 1pm, took a little over an hour and a half, the actual process is around an hour, but obviously we were discussing the process and then of course set up time.

The diesel version is different from the petrol version, ( Ie - they are totally different machines )

The diesel version has an inbuilt tank with a 50/50 mix of the treatment and diesel fuel

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r38/jaycam0802/terraclean.jpg

Once everything was all connected up through my fuel pump and the feed to the tank was shut off, the process began. The car ran for 20 mins while the mixture ran through the system doing its thing, then a 20 minute "soaking" process during which time the mix was allowed to soak through the fuel system. Then it was another 20 minute session as per the first.


http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r38/jaycam0802/hookedup.jpg

The revs were picked up to around 4k revs towards the end and there was certainly traces of black smoke ( not as much as I expected though )


http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r38/jaycam0802/enginebay.jpg

I spoke to Scott about it and he explained that its still relatively new here, but has been in Canada for around 15 years. The Canadian government has been involved at some point and a lot of it is down to the drive for a cleaner environment. Subaru also use this process in Canada seemingly and recommend its done on a yearly basis to help keep down emmissions.

What have I achieved?

Scientifically speaking? We will never know I guess and no doubt it'll go back n forth for some time to come.

I do know that since I've cleaned my EGR I'm a lot happier and I'm sure its helped some.
I've also switched to running a couple of tanks of Shell V power through here and she did seems a little livelier for sure and mpg "seems" to have improved so far.

The Terraclean today, I'm confident it has helped clean through the system and will reduce emmissions ( Its certianly not going to make them worse )
On the way home after a few runs, during which it did expell some black smoke, which I never experience, it cleaned up back to normal.
Seat of the pants driving to me, says it "feels" a little livelier again and more responsive / eager through the gears, but it is only a feeling

As the car sat idling then at 4k revs for some time. obviously mpg went right down. On the way back home through town, some motorway driving and being gentle she quite quickly started to rise on the mpg display.
Personally, I think that mpg may improve from before the treatment, but cannot say for definite at this time and will be monitoring where it goes over the coming days and weeks.

I'm £65 lighter and still happier that I feel as I may have achieved something positive out of this..............I'll report back as and when :beerchug:

[gupsterg]

Sounds/looks like process described in this PDF... Link:- 17503

[man le-mans]

Zollaf

Thats a very good point about a cold engine and a hot engine
Can you also tell me what a italian tune up is as i have heard this before but have no idea what it is

I thought it was something like as your car won't pass a mot on emissions the garage owner can connect his machine to his alfa romeo to sneak it through ( if it starts that is )

[zollaf]

an italian test drive is not using an alfa :), it involves driving in a typical italian fashion where you bounce the rev limiter on each gear change and use the throttle in one position only, flat out, only using the lowest gear possible and as much fuel as you can. you literally use the engine as hard as you can, get the turbo doing what it does best and get the engine as hot as possible.
i actually cured a pd engine with an overboost problem like this. it was constanty going into limphome indicative of a gummed up turbo. i trashed the pants off it, when a very large amount of black smoke came out the tailpipe and suddenly it was perfect and hasn't gone into limp mode for a good 20k.
you don't need to break any speed limits doing it, but a 70mph cruise up a motorway in 3rd is always good for an engine.

[man le-mans]

Thanks zollaf the reason i asked is my old bwm failed its mot on emissions and the garage said he would give it a italian tune up. and then it passed. Anyway i use the car for track days and must say the rev counter spends more time in the red or near it. Anyway it passed.

[buckmr2]

Hi guys (and Hi Jim!!) just joined after seeing this thread while moderating a linkback brought up on the UK Jag forum from this site.
I remember years ago in the 70s helping my dad de-coke a few engines while he had them stripped for repair...a lot of hard elbow grease over days to get the carbon deposits removed so I thought I would give the terradiesel treatment a go on my car
A number of us on the UK Jag forum have now had this treatment done, all are pleased who have had the treatment done correctly with both petrol and diesel results.My car has never blown any smoke from the exhaust that I have been able to see but during the treatment the amount of blue smoke that came out of the exhaust was astonishing while burning off the deposits.This cleared after about 20 mins and the car was left to soak for a period of time to loosen any really burnt on deposits and when restarted more blue smoke for a period of time.Its been said on here its an additive...it isnt.Apparently many "additives" you use simply put an oily coating over the carbon deposits without removing them like the terraclean/terradiesel does.
Randstat are the company rolling out the Terraclean and Terradiesel machines across the country but are struggling such is the demand for the treatment since being aired on TV
They came along together with a local garage who does the treatments to our local monthly Jag club meeting last month to talk about the treatment.
When I had my 2007 Jag diesel done the other month (131k on the clock) I took it for an emissions test before and after the treatment making sure the temp of the car was warmed up to the same both times to eliminate differences between hot and cold engine emissions.
Subaru now recommend it as part of their annual service schedule in Canada and Ford and Chrysler apparently are soon going to be following suit.
Once the treatment was complete I did enough miles to eliminate any traces of the terradiesel from the fuel system before retesting.The MOT tester said the only thing he had seen cleaner on the retest was "air" and emissions were down to 0.09 (pass for MOT is 3.00 if I remember) so not bad for a 5 yr old car with over 131000 miles on it I think.
A number at my local Jag club also took advantage of the discount offered and have heard nothing but good reports from them at the latest meeting the other night
My father (retired now but over 30 yrs as a chief engineeer in the merchant navy) drove my car before and after treatment and he noticed a difference so has booked his Zafira diesel in to get it done, and just come back from a trip to France and the car ran perfectly.Cant really evaluate economy as a lot of my driving is urban and the French trip had 4 people in the car and boot crammed full of suitcases,booze,booze,booze and some drink etc but even so attained nearly 45mpg on the trip inc town driving,stuck on Paris ringroads at rush-hours and leaving the car running with the a/con on with temps in the 90's most days so we didnt burn ourselves on the scorching interior after leaving it parked whenever we were visting places.
Great site!

[JimC64]

Thanks for your input Buck, valued as always

As I said, its going to be difficult to quantify for me, I'm not even doing that much mileage anymore to get a good reading.

I've recently cleaned my EGR valve, fairly dirty, but seen worse, and swiched to running Shell V power through her too. I've never really had any black smoke or emmissions issues, loss of power etc.
I used the treatment to clean throughout the system "prior" to having these issues and perhaps gain a little mpg.

Time will tell and I'll monitor it and come back to it

Cheers Buck

[gupsterg]

I think I am the one who said "additive", this was used loosely...

In past some such treatments/additives which say they will solve a issue/improve car/engine/performance have not lived up to claims...

I have been pondering over the PDF I posted in this post for over a few weeks now link: Terraclean anyone?? - Page 4 (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?135413-Terraclean-anyone&p=735909#post735909)

as I've had other thing going on have not been to dealer to enquire if i)have the equipment ii)they do this process iii) applicable to diesel as well....

This treatment/process seems similar if proven to work I'm game for it :) or the dealer method....

[Sam]

Hi guys (and Hi Jim!!) just joined after seeing this thread while moderating a linkback brought up on the UK Jag forum from this site.

Welcome to VWAF buckmr2.

What does the part in bold (my addition) mean?

[Crasher]

Can you also tell me what a italian tune up is as i have heard this before but have no idea what it is

Ohh come on, your kidding, right? "Off", "nuts", "thrash" and "its", re-arrange these words!

[JimC64]

Welcome to VWAF buckmr2.

What does the part in bold (my addition) mean?

Sam. Linkbacks are links placed both here and on other sites. You may for example place a link here about an issue someone has where the answer may be
a post on another site, or you could be on another site and know the answer is here. At that point you'll probably include a link ( to VWAF ) so that the
poster can view the thread and get the answer they need.

These are called Linkbacks and there are both incoming and outgoing versions
As a moderator you may or may not have access to them, be able to view them or delete them

[Sam]

Sorry, I should have been more clear, I meant the "moderating a linkback" part.

We don't operate link/ping/track backs here so I was curious who was mentioning our fine forum on his Jag site and why it would need moderating.

[JimC64]

Sorry, I should have been more clear, I meant the "moderating a linkback" part.

We don't operate link/ping/track backs here so I was curious who was mentioning our fine forum on his Jag site and why it would need moderating.

Well, as the thread is polluted beyond belief anyway I may as well reply here I guess....

Sam, if you look at #10 of this thread, you will see I inluded a link to Buck's post on the Jaguar forum ( a linkback )
This would generate an incoming linkback on the Jaguar site.
The linkback could be moderated for many different reasons.
If I or any other member here were to posts links here to, lets just say ( an udesirable ) website you'd want to know about it
and remove it. Similarly, If I were to visit one of those sites and post links there to this site.....It could conceiveably attract all the
wrong type of people here, so moderation may be required.

Hope this helps to clear this up for you Sam :beerchug:

[Sam]

Thanks Jim, that's the part I was missing, I had overlooked your jaguarforum link completely.

I'm fully aware of the tech behind it all, I was curious about the origins of the backlink and why it was requiring any moderation.

Your pollution pun was a nice touch too :D

[JimC64]

Ok, so no totally definitive results as yet for those that need it in blood, but, here's where I am so far......

History first -
Sometime ago I did serious mileage and 95% of that all motorway, with a little stop start and around town thrown in.
At that point my average was around 46mpg and fairly steady. The best I ever achieved was 52.1 mpg according to the DIS and that was when I was really trying hard.
On one particular trip I was so careful, cruising at 70 mph on motorway with some 50 mph in roadworks thrown in and this on a long journey. I managed to get in the region of 690 miles out of one tank and when I refuelled the DIS said 915 miles to empty assuming the same conditons I guess.

When I refuelled generally I could expect to see around 600 miles distance and probably achieved around 550 - 600 including what was left in the tank when I filled up.

Well over the years things change and my average has dropped dramatically.

Driving style -
My driving style in recent years has been fairly steady I guess you would say. Mostly I'm just getting around and usually do around 70 mph -80 mph on motorways, with good gear changes in plenty of time. I'm careful to never really labour the engine or put her under too much stress, but once in a while my heavy right foot makes an appearance and I have a blast or two here n there and some serious mph.
Its at these times I really use the whole range of revs and give her some stick I guess you'd say, but these days its occasional.

Recently -
Using the above driving style , but my travels have changed quite a lot. Nowadays most of my driving is all stop start and around town, usually at reasonable speeds with a little motorway thrown in.
If I had to put a figure on it I'd hazard a guess at around 85% town and 15% motorway.
My average according to DIS is now 36.6 mpg and I get around the 500 miles to a tank, maybe a little more including whats left when I refuel if I'm lucky.


As you know, I had the Terraclean diesel treatment done recently on my car and I'm keen to see what, if any difference it has made. To be fair its not just about this as I also recently had a new fuel filter installed and also removed and cleaned my EGR valve.
On top of this I've changed to using Sheel V power diesel as well.

Well, I had to fill up tonight and clocked the miles driven at 575.8 miles with 5 miles left in the tank

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r38/jaycam0802/mpg2.jpg




Having reset the trip I was showing 47.7 mpg although this clicked over just before I took the picture to 47 mpg

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r38/jaycam0802/mpg1.jpg


So 575.8 miles with 5 left in the tank plus ( the general consensus of opinions seems to be around ) 7 litres in reserve.
checking my receipt it showed I refilled with 71.28 litres, based on the fact I have an 80 litre tank that leaves around 8.72 litres left so thats about right I guess.

So 575.8 miles + 5 left in the tank + 1.92 gallons @ 47 mpg = 671.04 miles approx had I run her dry.

When I refuelled the DIS said 820 miles to go till empty

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r38/jaycam0802/mpg3.jpg


Ok, so I may not achieve that but time will tell I guess.
Coincidentally, 820 miles divided by 17 gallons = 48.2 mpg so perhaps the DIS isn't so far out as some think?

Ok so based on the fact that I've recently had a fuel filter changed and removed / cleaned my EGR valve and based on the fact I've recently switched to using Shell V power diesel, its not exactly scientific and not necessarily just down to the Terraclean treatment.

Maybe its helped maybe it hasn't?

For the nay sayers and those that want to demand cold hard facts before they move a muscle, all I can say is, I'm just stating where I am and what I've found, no more, no less.

The car, as it happens is running sweet as a nut, smoother than its been, not that I've had any issues, simply smoother. There is a "seat of the pants" feel that its slightly more responsive, slightly quicker, but thats all it is, a feeling.

I'm going to try and keep an eye on my mpg over the coming weeks and months and report back.
I may set up a fuelly account and use that as well.

Thanks for reading

[JimC64]

UPDATE>>>>>

Ok, so having filled my tank with Shell V power and running it through after the Terraclean treatment, I believe I'm starting to see fairly significant mpg improvements ( albeit its early days )
I will return here and to the fuel consumption thread Fuel Consumption and cheap fuel (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?133691-Fuel-Consumption-and-cheap-fuel) and post updates as and when I've completed a full tank and also further fill ups moving forward, for those that may be interested.


As previously stated the absolute best mpg I ever actually attained was approx 695 miles
This was ALL motorway and I was hypermiling to try and achieve the best results possible.

This current tankful of fuel, has been a mix of approx 60% city driving with 40% dual carriageway / motorway thrown in.
Although I'm trying to see what is the best mpg I can get, my boot is crammed full of workgear including files / boxes / jackets / hard hats & boots etc as it always has been.
I'm driving carefully and to the limits, no harsh revving, perhaps one slight burst of speed for a little while:approve:

The first results are shown below.
The fuel gauge although it cannot be seen has not moved from full at this point.

Distance travelled 76.6 miles
DTE ( Distance to Empty ) 655 miles
Instant MPG - 44.7mpg

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r38/jaycam0802/11111.jpg
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r38/jaycam0802/11111A.jpg



Further through the tank of fuel ( still no pic of the fuel gauge - sorry, but at around halfway between full and 3/4 )

Distance travelled 130.6 miles
DTE ( Distance to Empty ) 645 miles
Instant MPG - 48.6mpg


http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r38/jaycam0802/22222.jpg
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Having eventually learned, the fuel gauge can be clearly seen in these pics and this is where I'm at to date.
The fuel shows clearly that its well above the halfway mark. Usually I can predict around 240 miles - perhaps 280 at halfway position!

Distance travelled 335.9 miles
DTE ( Distance to Empty ) 455 miles
Instant MPG - 51.2mpg


http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r38/jaycam0802/33333.jpg
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r38/jaycam0802/33333A.jpg


Incidentally, the lifetime mpg counter has been at 36.6 mpg for as long as I can remember, and has since started to climb, currently at 37.1mpg.
From experience ( unless reset ) this will be a very slow n steady climb if there's a continuing upwards trend.....we'll see.

If, and I know it is If I can achieve anywhere near the targeted 790 miles range + whatever is left in the tank it will be the best results achieved over 5 years of ownership AND through a mix of motorway and city driving, not just motorway miles( I'll try and be as accurate as I can with the mix when I post of course )


In the meantime, I've started a fuelly account to try and cross refer my findings
I'll post again when I have more info.

[turpal]

About terraclean.We had a few people on Volvo forum done 2.3t5 engines with a good results.

They say better response and about 3mpg improvement. As Crasher said its not gonna clean inlet manifold because that system is connected to your fuel supply therefore not even getting anywhere near inlet many which you have to remove and spent alot of time cleaning it.

There was alot more arguments about terraclean on Volvo forum and ppl made alot of sense. Say the cleaning thing goes through injectors,cylinder,exhaust valves,cat and exhaust. They charge about the same just for cleaning your injectors ultrasonicly and do before and after test so will terraclean do the same job?

Cylinder chmber gets a build up and the higher the fuel quality the harder the deposit is and apparently terraclean brakes it down by molecules etc. how true is that and there is no one who has taken cylinder head off after that cleaning.

Cat-terraclean brings the cat temperature up so high that under 4k revs it`ll probably clear with no choice.

Or is the effect you notice after having the clean done to do with a simply cleared O2 sensors? As we know most cars have pre and post cat O2 sensors and the faster and more accurate they perform the better your car feels and they r recommended to b chnged at about 100k some may vary.

You guys deside as there is no real provereally therefore I`m tmpted to get a cheap banger when get some spare cash and do the terraclean and take the head off and have injectors tested before and after.

Don`t forget with tdi`s even with a clean inlet many you`ll still have inlet head chambers full of rubbish.

I may have not made any sense here but there is a food for thoughts nor I`m saying its good or bad.

[JimC64]

UPDATETODAY 14.08.2012 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

History first
I used to get decent mileage but then I travelled mostly motorway miles. The best I ever achieved was one day when I had a particularly long run ( approx. 700 miles to cover in one day ) This was with me 6’3” 17 stone + a workmate at 6’7” 19 stone,work gear and a boot crammed full of work related items.
I managed 695 miles covered with 40 approx left in the tank + reserve fuel meant I could have got about 850 miles at the 52.2mpg rate had I run her dry.
Incidentally when I refuelled the DIS told me to expect a 915 mile range if I travelled in the same manner going forward.
915divided by 52.2mpg = 17.6 gallons so it all seems to work out fine!:approve:

Recently
My mpg is shot to bits, I travel a mix of city and motorway now, probably 60/40 or thereabouts, maybe even a little more city stop start than that even. The car doesn’t always get up to temp and the instant mpg usually hovers around the mid 30’s range, high 30’s to low 40’s if I’m lucky on motorway jaunts.
The average for the lifetime of the car was recently showing36.6mpg.
Based on the fact I usually get around 500 – 550 to a tank + whatever isleft in reserve it kinda works out about right.:confused:

Past week or so
As you may know I recently cleaned my EGR valve, switched to Shell V power and had a Terraclean treatment done on the car. I’ve been monitoring my mpg etc ever since and recently started a fuelly account to help with this. My first fuel up showed 36.7 mpg which is scarily close to the average showing on the DIS in my car.

My second fill up I looked even closer and decided to see what I could get out of her and if the steps I took had any effect. I topped her off with Shell V power and reset the instant trip, but left the lifetime trip meter as is at 36.6mpg

Over the course of the full tank I probably did a mix of 75% motorway and 25% stop start town driving. I was careful, not exactly hypermiling as the boot was still crammed full, the AC was on and the drivers window open slightly as I am a smoker.

I managed to get 750.2 miles on a full tank and this left zero miles in the DIS so I was essentially on reserves at that point.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r38/jaycam0802/44444.jpg

I refuelled almost exactly the same as the last fill up at £104.01 for 70.80litres of Shell V power diesel. On the basis that my instant mpg had seen 52.2mpg but settled at 51.2mpg and the the fill up showed me that 9.2 litres (2.03 gallons ) remained in reserve, meant if I had run her dry I was looking at an 854 mile range….not bad!

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r38/jaycam0802/44444A.jpg

This turnaround in a week or so is impressive, at least for me

From past experience the car’s computer slowly builds mpg when driven sensibly and economically but reduces it drastically when the lead foot appears. 5 years of ownership has taught me once its way down at the kind of levels I mentioned earlier it takes a long time, lots of regular motorway miles and very economic driving to get the upward trend back on track

The only part I don’t understand is the DIS after refuelling showed a DTE of 715 miles?
I was sure this was based on the level of fill x the instant mpg which would have meant approx. 910 mile range NOT the 715 miles as indicated.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r38/jaycam0802/44444B.jpg

Anyhow in the matter of less than a week my mpg isup from 36.6mpg to 42.4 according to my fuelly account,:approve::approve: even though my instant trip on the DIS shows 51.2 and the average for the lifetime of the car is now at 37.1mpg

This shows a huge improvement for me as far as I'm concerned and I further believe that if I can continue the trend and drive enconomically I can achieve even better results.

[turpal]

Thats a good mpg there you have.I got 759 miles from my europtrip out of my b6 passat 1.9tdi and than light came up to refuell.

Mostly motorway miles,traffic jam at some point and I disn`t drive it as a grandpa.That was 70L tank and light comes on at 7L reserve so 759miles out of 63L diesel comes to about 54+mpg.As I said all the volvo boys noticed a better mpg and responce.I know I`m gonna do it when I get my new diesel.

[gupsterg]

Well I'm getting data together for how my car perform pre Terraclean... via fuelly account for MPG... my own perception for acceleration, etc

I'm not gonna change my driving style or type eg city/m-way... service regime...

Once I feel I got enough data gonna do Terraclean...

Then maybe remap... as my friends A4 Avant Quattro 3.0 TDi does more MPG and better drive after one...

[JimC64]

Nice one Gup.

Its cool that you're doing all the befores n afters too, so I look forward to reading about that whenever you go for it.

Who are you using?
Have you located a Terraclean operator near you?

[Brycie]

+1 on that Jim, if you're going to do an analysis of Terraclean's benefits I think you have to do it the way Gup's doing it. I think switching to VPower & getting the Terraclean done at the same time will make it unclear as to what benefit each will give you, whereas doing one at a time and monitoring between each change will give a clear indication of the benefits of each change (switching fuel type and getting Terraclean treatment) individually. Of course your research will also produce interesting results too, but Gup's findings will give further info.

Now that the tgread has settled down into a constructive debate, I don't mind giving my opinion. My thoughts on Terraclean would be that it can't do any harm & at a relatively inexpensive sum of £70, it's probably worth a shot as the benefits COULD be very valuable. I do however have reservations after reading Crashers comments on the issue, but like I said, at £70 quid I'd understand why you'd want to give it a shot. The personal recommendations would probably make me a little more comfortable parting with the £70. I will watch this thread with interest for Gup's findings.

[JimC64]

Of course I totally understand Brycie.............there always has to be a guinea pig at some point, someone has to be willing to go first.
Not that that person is me necessarily, maybe just one of the first here to talk about it and get it done, whereas usually I'd be waiting n looking too before I jumped.

Quite a few of my Jaguar comrades have had this done and are pleased with the results too........Trust me when I tell you that on the Jaguar form, they / we are every bit as into their cars as we are here and more. Some of the DIY solutions and reverse engineered fixes for age old problems would really amaze you and some have even went into a mini production run of sorts....lol

Their praises mean a lot to me as I've known most of them for maybe 4,5 or 6 years and I know how they treat and value their cars.

Anyhow, we'll see how this develops

[Brycie]

Yeah absolutely mate, I'll be watching this space for developments & further opinions after trials. I wouldn't give it any consideration at all if it weren't for personal recommendations.

Like Crasher says, if from personal experience he knows this stuff is so stubborn you have to basically take a hammer & chisel to it (ok, slight exaggeration), I would be of the same opinion he is at the thought of some liquid being spayed through managing to clear it. However when you have personal recommendations from people you trust, it gives credance to it - certainly enough to take a £70 punt on it. So I'll be interested in reading how this thread develops.

[A6_MJM]

Hello,

I had my car Terracleaned last weekend and my first impressions are that the car is much smoother to drive with a little more go.

Will post back when i have done a few full tanks as not sure if there is any mpg improvment yet.

[JimC64]

Glad to hear that you feel the car is much smoother with a little more go, as you put it..........It'll be interesting to see your views on mpg after a few tanks have ran through.

Nice one & thanks for sharing.

[Paul Barls]

Well i am now trying to find a local (Birmingham) outlet that can do the Terraclean service. If i manage to get it done i will also post the results as i have tracked my overall milage / MPG figures for 2 years allready. If anyone knows where i can get this done even in the West Mids please let me know.:banana:

[gupsterg]

Haven't contacted them through this as had other bits going on Link:- Locate the nearest TerraClean Service Centre (http://www.terraclean.co.uk/challenge.html)

[JimC64]

Anyone else had this done at all recently, or thinking of it?

Dealers that offer this service seem to be springing up all over the place compared to a year ago!

[DieTryin']

Anyone else had this done at all recently, or thinking of it?

Dealers that offer this service seem to be springing up all over the place compared to a year ago!

Jim
I would love to have this done... but the cynic in me struggles to believe it.
Does the company have any before and after pics of the internals?
De-coking is a mother of a job if done by hand and if any lumpy bits find their way into the cylinder, it's ££s.
I know you felt as though there was an improvement but......?
Jet engines (particularly Maritime versions, could be cleaned by a Turco (sp?) Blast; which was effectively crushed walnut shells thrown into the intake. No delicate valves or pistons in the way though ;)
I want to believe, I really do.

[JimC64]

No pics as far as I know Dietryin'.....

There seem to be plenty of before and after numbers on emmissions etc as well as many documented increases in fuel efficiency by those who have had it done.

I'm not a rep for them for gods sake....lol
I can only go on my research, what I have heard and read from others experiences as well as my own experience in getting it done, which was positive.

Everybody to their own thats what I say mate...

[S66MJETDI]

Im sure this is the same stuff we used to use in the RAF to clean compressors on the jet engines.Injected into the airflow in a fine mist.....

[DieTryin']

Im sure this is the same stuff we used to use in the RAF to clean compressors on the jet engines.Injected into the airflow in a fine mist.....

The Combustion Chamber or HP Compressor didn't get choked with carbon build up though.
I just can't help but think there'd be before/after pics and video.
But as Jim rightly says, each to their own.
Maybe I'm being too cynical.

[gupsterg]

Jim
I would love to have this done... but the cynic in me struggles to believe it.
....
I want to believe, I really do.

x2...

Jim as you've seen in the EGR/intake thread I have huge amount of carbon in manifolds... Link:- Audi A6 2.7 & 3.0 TDi EGR & Intake system cleaning info please... (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?141451-Audi-A6-2-7-amp-3-0-TDi-EGR-amp-Intake-system-cleaning-info-please)

I had about 100g of carbon in the throttle body adapter, easily filled a 250g marg tub... I reckon I could touch a 1Kg by the time I de-coke the whole intake...

In the current state of the intake I'd be worried about the large quantity of carbon knackering the engine if allowed through it...

Some questions mulling in my head say if I went for terraclean without knowing what was in my intake are they saying their product some how dissolve the carbon making it more combustible? so it will just vaporise in piston chamber upon combustion or it becomes finer soot and comes out of exhaust? now if intake has not been inspected would they know if the build up has been fully removed or partially? would the partial removal mean the remnants be likely to come away at later date and cause an issue?

I'm not posting this thinking you will have answer but more as a post of thoughts knocking around my head...

I'm prepared to give it a whirl after manual cleaning of whole intake hoping that the smaller deposits which may be in other areas may get removed...

Before that in my case I believe it would be risk to the "health" of engine...

[JimC64]

Thanks for the post Gup, and I concur somewhat I should say....

Although its not mentioned as a pre requisite, I actually had my EGR valve off at around 94k and cleaned it out myself. I posted here somewhere about it.
I was expecting it to be almost fully clogged up, but in actual fact it wasn't too bad, perhaps 2-3 mm of sooty carbon deposits around it.......Obviously I cleaned it whilst it was off anyway.

I did not do the intake at that time, then had the Terraclean done afterwards

[gupsterg]

Thank you Jim for your posts, for doing on your car, posting thread and sharing data :approve: ...
Regardless of viewpoints on the process people who try this kinda new thing and share it must be thanked :beerchug:...

In the EGR/intake thread you/others will note that my intake is somewhat overly coked up, so other cars may not be as bad...

When get a chance will go to a Terraclean provider with my images/videos to ask what their take is on what happen to the carbon? find out if they check visually state of internals before/after process? would they do on my car or knock it back as too much for their system to handle? and other questions on my mind...

They may well have improved chems/process...

[Howard Lowe]

Just had car terracleaned yesterday 06 mondeo with 63k on it. Only getting 34 mpg round town, smoked like battersea power station while being terraceaned.Mpg upto 46 today, gotta say it worked for me. Car drives, idles, accelerates better plus more mpg. Only my two penneth.

[Paul Barls]

Ok, I have booked the car in for a Terraclean at 1pm this afternoon. I will report back on my findings (touch wood) nothing goes wrong.:nervous:

[zollaf]

Just had car terracleaned yesterday 06 mondeo with 63k on it. Only getting 34 mpg round town, smoked like battersea power station while being terraceaned.Mpg upto 46 today, gotta say it worked for me. Car drives, idles, accelerates better plus more mpg. Only my two penneth.
welcome to the forum.
do you work for terraclean ?

[JimC64]

Ok, I have booked the car in for a Terraclean at 1pm this afternoon. I will report back on my findings (touch wood) nothing goes wrong.:nervous:

Thanks for the post Paul.

Are you waiting on the car, watching the process etc or just dropping it off?
Personally, I stayed with mine and watched them do their thing, also talking to them about the process and cars they've done in the past etc etc.

Hope to hear once its all done and look forward to hearing your views and opinions moving forward.

Best

Jim

[Paul Barls]

Ok, slight delay (just my look), they run out of whatever it is they use in the machine but it is due back in stock later today. I said text me to confirm delivery and I will try to get it done Tues evening after work. I said to the guy don't give me any sales pitch and tell what you really think of it "Terraclean", he just said "how many miles has your car on the clock?", I replied "121k" he larfed and said you will immediately notice the difference, we have done more than 100 cars / vans and never had anything but positive feedback. He said on a BMW M5 the owner did not notice a performance gain, but did notice smoother running with an improved MPG. He said it made a huge difference to a diesel van that they did. He apologised for running out of the chemicals and stated it would take approximately 1.5 hours. I will be waiting and watching what they do if I can.:bigeyes:

[Howard Lowe]

welcome to the forum.
do you work for terraclean ?

Thanks for the welcome.

No I do not work for terraclean.

Just had this done and thought I'd give my findings.

[JimC64]

Just had car terracleaned yesterday 06 mondeo with 63k on it. Only getting 34 mpg round town, smoked like battersea power station while being terraceaned.Mpg upto 46 today, gotta say it worked for me. Car drives, idles, accelerates better plus more mpg. Only my two penneth.


Thanks for sharing Howard!

I believe the "do you work for terraclean" comment is based on the fact you are new here and its pretty much your first post, fair enough I suppose!

Either way thanks for the comments, I see the Terraclean seems to be gathering some momentum and is everywhere. I even saw Ed China advertising it today on the new episode of Fifth Gear.

[rjsetford]

Hi all,

Newbie here and before you ask, no I don't work for Terraclean ;) lol

Ok, here goes. I'm the proud owner of a 2007 VW Passat loaded with a 2ltr FSI engine. I've had it for three years and have added circa 45,000 miles to the clock in that time (it's just about to roll over the 80,000 mile mark). Apart from an issue with the air-con and a faulty EPB switch, she's been good as gold.

I too saw the episode of WD with MR China 'improving' the emissions of the Jag. Having tried many additives over the years in other cars with very little success I was naturally a bit skeptical towards the claims of Terraclean. I do, however, believe that Mr C wouldn't endorse a product if there wasn't some mileage in it (pardon the pun lol).

Now, I haven't had my car Terracleaned yet, that's happening tomorrow afternoon (Wednesday 20th March 2013) but I thought I'd conduct a very unscientific experiment.

So, what have I done so far? Well, last night I check the tyre pressures, brimmed the tank and then set off on the M27 heading towards Southampton from Portsmouth (I live just outside Pompey). As I got to J11 I set the cruise control to 60mph and stuck at that speed until I reached J5 where I came off and headed back to Pompey again using the cruise control to maintain 60mph. As I passed J11 again the following stats were recorded:

Miles = 32
MPG = 47.0
Average speed = 57mph

Now that ain't bad if you ask me but in all honesty, when I first got the car I would have got over 50mpg for that same journey.

As I mentioned above, my car is getting the treatment tomorrow. I'll run the car for a few days and then repeat the journey on Saturday night (gigging Friday night, governors meeting Thursday, band praccy Wednesday) so I'll post my results here either Sunday or Monday.

I know it's not a huge journey, 32 miles isn't very far) but it'll be pretty much the same journey. I'll also try and be as subjective as possible about any changes in performance, engine noise etc.

Can't really say fairer than that can I :)

[JimC64]

Thanks.....look forward to hearing your views on the process

[bops6]

Watching this closely as I fancy getting this done on mine, got a dealer 10 minutes away so really interested in the outcome

[c4a5er]

so we've a mondeo owner and now a passat owner joining an Audi forum to volunteer opinion on terraclean..

[zollaf]

well it is a vag forum, so the passat owner could be excused since a passat is a passat, but the ford owner, well call me mr suspicious !!!!!
maybe he will end up buying a passat as well.

[rjsetford]

Hi c4a5er,

I did consider starting a new thread elsewhere but I thought it would make an interesting continuation to this thread. We're all driving German (except for Mondeo Man ;) ;) ) so does it really matter?

Surely it's the result that's important at the end of the day :)

[Eshrules]

Hi c4a5er,

I did consider starting a new thread elsewhere but I thought it would make an interesting continuation to this thread. We're all driving German (except for Mondeo Man ;) ;) ) so does it really matter?

Surely it's the result that's important at the end of the day :)

It is and this is where Terraclean (IMHO!) fails.

Restore MPG
Reduce Emissions
Regain Performance

I've yet to see any irrefutable scientific proof that supports these claims.

It's also been suggested that the same 'results' can be obtained for a fraction of the cost - Link (http://www.jaguarforum.co.uk/f30/full-disclosure-edd-china-works-randstad-terraclean-46057.html)

[zollaf]

many people do seem to claim much better mpg after a good old terraclean. thing is though, its difficult to actually drive consistently. if you think more mpg, you drive for more mpg, so this 5 mpg extra can just be in your driving, which isn't hard to achieve. also, a 35 mile round trip proves nothing, its far far too short.

[rjsetford]

I'm kinda with you there Eshrules. Terraclean would do themselves a world of favours by adding some irrefutable evidence to their website etc.

I guess that's why I'm going to do what I suggested above. It's real world, I've got nothing to gain from it apart from a potentially cleaner running, more fuel efficient engine.

I think I'll also report back over a few weeks showing how things go once a few tanks of V-Power have gone through. I ain't no scientist so don't expect mega-detail, I'll just tell you all how it is as I perceive it.

Stay frosty :)

[rjsetford]

Hi Zollaf,

I agree it is a short distance which is why I'm mindful to using the cruise control to maintain a steady speed and will be driving quite late at night (as I did last night) to try and ensure the influence of other traffic is kept to a minimum. If you'd like me to drive much further distances then I'm more than happy to DM you my PayPal email address so you can transfer the fuel money to me ;)

I'll also be adding further results over the coming weeks therefore hopefully building up a more real-world picture.

[Paul Barls]

Ok, as I write this my car is having the Terraclean treatment. 19818

[EssexGonzo]

Ok, as I write this my car is having the Terraclean treatment. 19818

Looking forward to hearing your experiences Paul.....

[gupsterg]

I was just going over the video... Link:- Wheeler Dealers Terraclean system.m2ts - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiViPKIoG68&feature=youtu.be)

So terraclean connect to fuel system and go through engine and clean exhaust system as they are saying...

So that would mean it would go through EGR system aswell :confused: ...


Ok, as I write this my car is having the Terraclean treatment.

Paul are you able to take shot of the EGR inlet into the throttle body adapter after the treatment...

Ref the thread I earlier linked... we can do comparison against mine, my car has only been ran 1-2k miles after manual cleaning...

[S66MJETDI]

Very interested in this......... a genuine test in progress.....(not that I doubt the others) but it's easier to accept the comments from someone you have met.

[JimC64]

Looking forward to hearing others views after they have completed the Terraclean on their vehicles.

[gupsterg]

Very interested in this......... a genuine test in progress.....(not that I doubt the others) but it's easier to accept the comments from someone you have met.

I think everyone is posting genuine info IMO... this thread has been around for a while... comes up in goggle at the top...
I think spammers would have gone for it before now... Jim has been the only candidate until recently...

I wanna see some shots of engine parts/internals...

[EssexGonzo]

I was just going over the video... Link:- Wheeler Dealers Terraclean system.m2ts - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiViPKIoG68&feature=youtu.be)

So terraclean connect to fuel system and go through engine and clean exhaust system as they are saying...

So that would mean it would go through EGR system aswell :confused: ...



Paul are you able to take shot of the EGR inlet into the throttle body adapter after the treatment...

Ref the thread I earlier linked... we can do comparison against mine, my car has been only ran 1-2k miles after cleaning...

Gup - just out of interest, where do I find the EGR on a 2.0 BRE engine? I might try a before and after picture. :beerchug:

[gupsterg]

Hi ya EG :) ...

You've seen Jim's post in other thread... if you want other stuff PM an external email, will suss ASAP for you mate ;) ...

[c4a5er]

Hi c4a5er,

I did consider starting a new thread elsewhere but I thought it would make an interesting continuation to this thread. We're all driving German (except for Mondeo Man ;) ;) ) so does it really matter?

Surely it's the result that's important at the end of the day :)
no it doesn't matter, it's non of my business who joins the forum or for what reason, it just struck me as odd.

[zollaf]

the egr won't open though will it ? as its only done stationary (terracleaned) . therefore it probably won't touch the egr.

[bops6]

Ok, as I write this my car is having the Terraclean treatment. 19818

Not that i`m impatient but is it done yet :D

[gupsterg]

the egr won't open though will it ? as its only done stationary (terracleaned) . therefore it probably won't touch the egr.

On mine it does and Pauls is same (3.0 TDi V6)... it will only switch off if left to idle for few minutes but then will open again when you rev car and as Jim/others/video show they rev car so EGR should open it may close at certain revs aswell or do the cooling thing...

Will try to fish out info :) ...

[Paul Barls]

Ok, slight delay as my sister was visiting. Ok its done :). It was connected to the machine for 75 minutes approx. Car was run whilst connected for 20/25 mins. Then switched off for 30 minutes to let chemicals soak in. Then car was run again whilst still connected to machine for another 20/25 mins (45 minutes connected / running to machine in total. The car is not left at idle speed, it is throttled to aprox 2000 rpm I think, I can ask and verify if required. The car twice increased in revs significantly during the clean on it's own accord. The mechanic said something defiantly cleared on both occasions. The mechanic was a decent guy and asked me to call him back to give him feedback as he is always interested to here what people think. When I drove away there was no plumes of smoke as you can sometimes get apparently from a very dirty engine. My thoughts although very early, you can take them any way you like! 1. The car was defiantly much - much more responsive, I am 100% sure of it. 2. Same traffic, on the way there 30.1 mpg / on the way back 34.6 mpg. Please don't say how do I know, it's just a very quick update but I am very confident that it was MY money well spent. I will try to give a better update soon. I have 2 years + of fuel consumption data that I will be able to use to give before and after readings. 19821

[bops6]

That's good news, although early opinion sounds worth while job. What mileage does your car have?

[Paul Barls]

My car has 121k miles on the clock, it had 115k miles when I brought it over 2 years ago. They were mostly motorway miles before I got it, I do the opposite and mostly use it on local roads and have not put many miles on it.:biglaugh:

[rjsetford]

Hi guys and gals,

Just got the Passat back from Drayton MOT Centre (many thanks again, Steve). I've only had time to take the car for a short spin but there is, without question, noticeable differences in several areas

1. Noise - The engine is a lot quieter
2. Performance and acceleration - The throttle is a lot more responsive. This is subjective but the acceleration 'feels' a bit faster and, more importantly from my perspective, is a lot, lot smoother.
3. Idling - I let the car stand for a few minutes on idle. Before the treatment the engine would occasionally 'blip' ever so slightly. It isn't doing it now.

I'll let you know how the mpg works out over the coming weeks but so far, so good. I'll probably repeat the 'test trip' I did on Monday night tomorrow (Thursday) so I'll post here the results from that.

As I mentioned in previous postings, none of this is scientific and you should do your own homework before deciding if the Terraclean process is right for your car.

[JimC64]

Nice one, so glad you're happy with it.

As you say, none of it is scientific as such, but often the "feel" can be enough to tell if there's a difference or not.

After all, as drivers who know our own cars we "feel" that there is something wrong and the car's not handling right, turns out one of the tyres has lost pressure and needs topped up or similar.

We know & "feel" that the mpg isn't quite right or they're down on power and the fuel filter helps to resolve the issue etc etc.
Sometimes, a feeling as a driver who knows their vehicle can be enough......

I know I "feel" that the process helped my car when I had it done and will probably look to do it again at some point.

Thanks for sharing and I look forward to reading any future updates, as I'm sure others will too.

[rjsetford]

Quick update!

Had to drive over to Southampton (from Portsmouth) last night. This is a journey I do every week for rehearsals with my band (www.the-crush.net (http://www.the-crush.net) if you're interested). Early indications are that I got an extra 3mpg for that journey and the same for the return around 4 hours later.

I'll be repeating 'the test' I did on Monday night this evening so I'll let you know the like-for-like results tomorrow.

The car feels a lot slicker. The acceleration is so smooth and the performance noticeably better. It's still early days but this is looking like money well spent.

[bops6]

Quick update!

Had to drive over to Southampton (from Portsmouth) last night. This is a journey I do every week for rehearsals with my band (www.the-crush.net (http://www.the-crush.net) if your interested). Early indications are that I got an extra 3mpg for that journey and the same for the return around 4 hours later.

I'll be repeating 'the test' I did on Monday night this evening so I'll let you know the like-for-like results tomorrow.

The car feels a lot slicker. The acceleration is so smooth and the performance noticeably better. It's still early days but this is looking like money well spent.

Good news then, keep the updates coming. Lets hope when I get round to getting this done on mine I have the same result.

[ChA6dders]

Thanks to all who've posted their exp on this topic it's something I've considered for a while now. There is a local place to me and I got a quote from them some time ago but not gone any further. I'm probably going to have it done in the not to distant future maybe I'll get some pics up of the process

[JimC64]

Thanks ChA6dders..........why not give them a call and see if they can shed light on any questions you may have?

Look forward to your views at some point if you do decide to go ahead mate.

Cheers

[rjsetford]

Quick update....didn't do 'the drive' last night, the weather was abysmal so the roads would have been waterlogged. I'll try again over the weekend.

Rich

[Sam]

Quick update....didn't do 'the drive' last night, the weather was abysmal so the roads would have been waterlogged. I'll try again over the weekend.

Rich

There you go, by staying at home you've already made a saving of a few quid, bonus!

[rjsetford]

Well, slight change of plan. I've got the day off work so, after finishing a few odd jobs, I decided to do 'the drive' as per Monday night mainly because it wasn't raining and the roads were as they were when I did the original test drive (what Top Gear would call 'mildly moist').

I really cannot believe the results! In fact, I'm gobsmacked.

I did the same drive i.e. from Pompey to Southampton along the M27, set the cruise control to 60mph and reset the trip computer to give an mpg between J11 and J5 and back.

Before:
Miles = 32
Average speed = 57mph
MPG = 47

After the Terraclean treatment on Wednesday I'm now getting the following:
Miles = 32
Average speed - 57mph
MPG = 53.1

Yes! That's right! 6.1mpg more! That's incredible!!

As I've said before, the engine is quieter and smoother. Acceleration is significantly better and idling is much, much more even (there was an occasional 'blip' every so often before treatment).

I will run 'the drive' again at some point soon but dag-namit, 6mpg extra?!? I'd buy that for a dollar!

[Brycie]

The next question is, how many miles will you have to do for the extra 6mpg to recoup your outlay & make it economically worthwhile and ultimately, how many miles will the improved performance last before you need to have it done again?

Holding my hands up, maths is not a strength of mine & I'll end up with either a headache or a calculator being thrown through the window. Would be interesting if we do have any members who can work out how long before you get your money back.

Jim, I'm assuming the starting/stuttering problems you've had recently didn't begin around the time you had the terraclean treatment done? :D

[rjsetford]

The next question is, how many miles will you have to do for the extra 6mpg to recoup your outlay & make it economically worthwhile and ultimately, how many miles will the improved performance last before you need to have it done again?

Holding my hands up, maths is not a strength of mine & I'll end up with either a headache or a calculator being thrown through the window. Would be interesting if we do have any members who can work out how long before you get your money back.

Jim, I'm assuming the starting/stuttering problems you've had recently didn't begin around the time you had the terraclean treatment done? :D

Hi Brycie,

Great question! I had a rough idea in my head but having just had a quick play with Excel I estimate my treatment (based on the numbers I've given in previous posts) will pay for itself in around 9 weeks. Time will tell though and I will be keeping on top of this. I'm pretty certain though that if I had a Terraclean treatment at each service it will be significantly more economical than not having it done.

Happy days.

[Sam]

The next question is, how many miles will you have to do for the extra 6mpg to recoup your outlay & make it economically worthwhile and ultimately, how many miles will the improved performance last before you need to have it done again?

Holding my hands up, maths is not a strength of mine & I'll end up with either a headache or a calculator being thrown through the window. Would be interesting if we do have any members who can work out how long before you get your money back.

Assuming;

Fuel at 139.9 p/l (petrol)

TerraClean at £90.00

Before TerraClean the journey cost £4.33

After TerraClean the journey cost £3.83

You'd have to do that journey 180 times (or 5,760 miles) to break even.



Jim, I'm assuming the starting/stuttering problems you've had recently didn't begin around the time you had the terraclean treatment done? :D

Yes, but we think it's not related ;)

[cdste]

The next question is, how many miles will you have to do for the extra 6mpg to recoup your outlay & make it economically worthwhile and ultimately, how many miles will the improved performance last before you need to have it done again?

Holding my hands up, maths is not a strength of mine & I'll end up with either a headache or a calculator being thrown through the window. Would be interesting if we do have any members who can work out how long before you get your money back.

Jim, I'm assuming the starting/stuttering problems you've had recently didn't begin around the time you had the terraclean treatment done? :D

I am thinking of getting this done on my 2.7 tdi a6. Not purely for the mpg increase as you are right, it would take a lot of miles to make it economical / worth while. I would be happy to know that I have a cleaner, healthier fuel system - Shirley this has to be worth the money being charged for this.

i am in no way associated with this business lol - this is my first post here.

[Brycie]

Hmmm, jury's still out for me. I do 30, 000 miles a year, so it should work out paying for itself every couple of months, but how long does it last for? I doubt that information is available yet.

I think until it's in more widespread use and it's considered tried & trusted by more people, I'll just keep using premium fuel to keep my engine clean. Gupsterg's concerns made me think - all that carbon has to go somewhere & what's it affecting on it's way out. I'm not brave enough to gamble a £6k car on an unknown treatment, but fair play to those who are.

What is it about this subject that brings people out of the woodwork for the first time ever? :biglaugh: I'm not having a dig cdste, I can see you registered in 2007, but there are an unusually high number of people who want to get involved in this thread when they've never/rarely posted anything before ;)

[JimC64]

Paul, you assume correctly, nothing to do with the Terraclean treatment.

As I said before the treatment doesn't go through the fuel tank or pump, its connected directly to the filter ( which I had renewed immediately afterwards ) and the system equalises the fuel pump pressure and operate from there.

As for payback?
At those figures assuming a 6mpg increase, fuel at 1.50 per litre and a 40mpg average, cost of treatment around £70 you'd cover around 3000 miles and it'd be paid for.

Obviously there's so many variables that need to be taken into account but I'd say at todays prices you could quite safely assume 5000 miles would cover your costs, this allowing for less mpg gains and lower mpg actually achieved overall. This over and above any benefits gained in the process, which is what everyone is debating of course. That could be 3-4 months driving for some and around 5 months or so for the average driver doing average miles

Like I said many times before, you're either a believer and in it or you're not.

All I'm doing is sharing what I've done and what I believe to work for me.......each to their own, thats life.

[JimC64]

What is it about this subject that brings people out of the woodwork for the first time ever? :biglaugh: I'm not having a dig cdste, I can see you registered in 2007, but there are an unusually high number of people who want to get involved in this thread when they've never/rarely posted anything before ;)


Paul - I agree with those comments tbf

It is unusual to say the least and could be any number of things.
Could be someone working to promote Terraclean, could be me with one of my 16 different alias...lol
Could be some of the nay sayers shouting snake oil trying to muddy the waters, or, it simply could be a member that has signed up but has had nothing to say until now....they do exist, believe me.

What concerns me more is the idiotic ones who shout / scream it can't be, it can't be, because there's no real evidence and I haven't had it done.
If those members are truly not interested and convinced it doesn't work, why spend so much time reading and posting into this thread? Clearly nothing better to do.....:dunno:

[Brycie]

I hope my comments/questions came across as neutral & unbiased Jim, more to the point sensible & constructive. I'm not going to dismiss it out of hand as snake oil, but by the same token I'm using a reasonable amount of caution.

It's said to be standard use in servicing Subarus in Canada I believe, yet no search results come up for Terraclean on their website.

So at the moment I'm remaining undecided either way & I'm waiting for more established research & findings to come out before jumping off the fence one way or another.

[Whippy53]

It obviously works, but like any card carrying sceptic I would like to see whether the benefits are long term or not and I would love to see a before and after engine strip.

[JimC64]

Paul, no issue with your comments mate, never have done and unlikely I will, you are always fair and unbiased in your views.

I fully appreciate your points about using reasonable caution / doing research etc and looking for further proof.......always a very sensible idda, after all, no likes to go first....lol

I see its being advertised more on TV now too!
I was watching the new series of fifth gear, and Ed China is there doing his promo for Terraclean. It certainly seems to be getting more prevalent on all forums, more & more dealers opening up and now more TV advertising. I have a funny feeling that it may be around for a little while yet, we'll see I guess.

Thanks Paul

Jim

[JimC64]

It obviously works, but like any card carrying sceptic I would like to see whether the benefits are long term or not and I would love to see a before and after engine strip.


To be fair.....I would too.

[Sam]

What concerns me more is the idiotic ones who shout / scream it can't be, it can't be, because there's no real evidence and I haven't had it done.
If those members are truly not interested and convinced it doesn't work, why spend so much time reading and posting into this thread? Clearly nothing better to do.....:dunno:

Because I'm sceptical about the entire process yet still enjoy debating it, I'm "idiotic" and I have "nothing better to do"?

[cdste]

What is it about this subject that brings people out of the woodwork for the first time ever? :biglaugh: I'm not having a dig cdste, I can see you registered in 2007. ;)

i am unfortunately ill and off work today so I have loads of time to kill. I usually just use fourms like this for info. I register to many so I can view attachments.


Plus I have only had my a6 for a couple of weeks and still having a good read about them. My previous car was a 110 ahf gt tdi golf which I spent tonnes of money on including a new flywheel and clutch and full 4 motion leathers for the engine to run away with itself 300 miles later. So bit the bullet and the royal bank of Scotland has kindly gave me some money for a newer motor. Still wondering what to do with the golf tho - don't think a terraclean will cut it tho lol.

everybody on here seems really nice and seem to know a good bit about these cars so you will maybe see me on here more often now.

[Crasher]

I would love to see a before and after engine strip.

Yes that would be fascinating, have the treatment carried out on a TDI that is caked up to the neck in thick black goo with valves millimetres deep in burnt on deposits and then have a look after to see how clean it isn't, sorry is.

[JimC64]

Because I'm sceptical about the entire process yet still enjoy debating it, I'm "idiotic" and I have "nothing better to do"?

Did anyone point a finger at you Sam?
I guess to be fair, its a bit like the "you must be a mug" comment.

Absolutely nothing wrong with being sceptical / suspicious or to have an enquiring mind, nothing at all............Perhaps its just the way that those thoughts are translated into words that is the problem?

[Brycie]

There we go then, we club together to buy an old TDI engine which gets inspected beforehand & get the treatment done, then return it to Crasher, err, I mean a volunteer who can inspect it afterwards too. And we have a definitive answer.

[JimC64]

Yes that would be fascinating, have the treatment carried out an a TDI that is caked up to the neck in thick black goo with valves millimetres deep in burnt on deposits and then have a look after to see how clean it isn't, sorry is.

Don't suppose you fancy helping us out here Crasher?
You could be the first to do this and prove conclusively one way or another............We could all chip in to cover your costs, how about it?

Lol.....Sorry Paul, looks like I more or less duplicated your post, great minds think alike or fools seldom differ, one of the two :biglaugh:

[cdste]

Be better to chip in to buy the machine to do our own cars lol :biglaugh:

[Brycie]

Be better to chip in to buy the machine to do our own cars lol :biglaugh:

Hold on one cotton pickin minute, first you promote it being done & now you want us to buy a machine & become franchisees! :biglaugh:

[Brycie]

The thought of Crasher single handedly putting Terraclean out of business does make me laugh. Crasher the crusader.

[cdste]

Haha. The funny thing is I will probably never ever get around to getting this done.:confused:

[Eshrules]

Did anyone point a finger at you Sam?
I guess to be fair, its a bit like the "you must be a mug" comment.

Absolutely nothing wrong with being sceptical / suspicious or to have an enquiring mind, nothing at all............Perhaps its just the way that those thoughts are translated into words that is the problem?

"can't believe people are mug enough to pay for it" is a little different to "you are a mug".

I apologise profusely for the offense my comments appear to have caused you.

People have got to be able to post without being called idiotic simply because they present an opposing point of view.

Please, let it go - if you've got an issue with me or anything I've said please drop me a PM so we can resolve it properly.

Back on topic, I am curious as to how much terraclean are charging for their machines and what sort of backup to dealers they're providing.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

[JimC64]

I did ask the guy that did my treatment that very question Esh, re price of equipment...

My memory deson't seem to be what it used to be, but it was a few thousand, something like £3000 - £4000 rings a bell iirc.
Then of course there is the replacement materials used in the process, no idea of costings there

Obviously it'll take more than a few treatments before it pays for itself and they're making profit I'd imagine, yet the network does seem to keep on growing.

Pm sent

[Crasher]

yet the network does seem to keep on growing

So is credit card fraud...

[JimC64]

So is credit card fraud...

Jeeesh - As if on cue

We all know your views, they're well documented, as are your views on diesel fuel.
I do appreciate any meaningful comments you may have towards it, if you care to add to the debate?
I've heard snake oil before, any other pearls of wisdom to share?

[c4a5er]

as always things can be interpreted in different ways, to me it seemed a tongue in cheek comment not to taken seriously...

the thing is those that have spent their working life in the motor trade take a lot of convincing since there have been various money spinners over the years that motorists are convinced they must have but don't actually work.

[Crasher]

Jeeesh - As if on cue

I am nothing if not predictable...:biglaugh:

You on the other hand are a bit uptight at the moment, what's wrong? Is it my views on Pictland? I could get a right old debate going over that.

[JimC64]

I am nothing if not predictable...:biglaugh:

You on the other hand are a bit uptight at the moment, what's wrong? Is it my views on Pictland? I could get a right old debate going over that.

Lol, yeah maybe a little predictable I guess.

You're right, I'm sorry, just got lots going on, I apologise.
Don't even go there with Pictland......that debate could go on for a while, lol

[Crasher]

:grouphug: :alcoholic

[A6_MJM]

Just a quick update, had my car Terracleaned over 2 weeks ago but have not driven it much due to it being my weekend car, so last week took it out for a run down to Southampton, car was running ok but is feeling a little flat in the higher gears, overall MPG for the journey was 38.6 which is rather bad seeing as pre-terraclean i was getting 47.7 for the same journey.

Another issue that has popped up since the car was Terracleaned is that the throttle seems to stick for a second or so when i lift off to change gear, I don't think this is all due to the Terraclean but if anyone knows a decent Audi independant in the Alton/Basingstoke area that would be grand!

[rjsetford]

OK, since I had the Terraclean performed on my car I've run three tank fulls of petrol through. I am getting an extra 60 to 70 miles out of a tank which to me is significant. Well see how things go over the coming months to see if the improved economy is sustained.

Rich

[JimC64]

Cool, that works out at around 3-4 mpg increase which others have reported seeing too iirc.

Depending on your mileage of course, it will pay for itself sooner or later if thats the case.....Look forward to updates in the coming weeks / months.

Thanks for sharing Rich....

[MarkTM]

Cool, that works out at around 3-4 mpg increase which others have reported seeing too iirc.

Depending on your mileage of course, it will pay for itself sooner or later if thats the case.....Look forward to updates in the coming weeks / months.

Thanks for sharing Rich....

In 07 after having my 96 4lt XK8

1) terracleaned
2) Auto-RX'd
3) injectors cleaned and calibrated
4) running on Royal Purple fully synth
5) fitting a carbon dynamics intake
6) fitting iridium plugs
7) Cleaning TB & MAFS

I returned 39.4MPG on a 300 mile run, appreciate here that factory extra urban is 32.9

I couldn't say it was the carbonclean only but a combo of all of the above.

Shortly afterwards I had mine LPG converted knowing it was running 'as sweet as possible' :Blush:

Then LPG cost 33ppl so filling a 60l tank cost me £20 and would take me 350 miles if driven carefully...none to shabby for an old V8 ;)

[A6_MJM]

Just a quick update, had my car Terracleaned over 2 weeks ago but have not driven it much due to it being my weekend car, so last week took it out for a run down to Southampton, car was running ok but is feeling a little flat in the higher gears, overall MPG for the journey was 38.6 which is rather bad seeing as pre-terraclean i was getting 47.7 for the same journey.

Another issue that has popped up since the car was Terracleaned is that the throttle seems to stick for a second or so when i lift off to change gear, I don't think this is all due to the Terraclean but if anyone knows a decent Audi independant in the Alton/Basingstoke area that would be grand!
Right time for a quick update, opened the bonnet of the beast up over the weekend and notice the air feed to the air box was not secured, it was missing its 2 securing screws and so the air feed had dropped down towards the rad blocking off at least half of it!
Since sorting that out the car has been much much better, pulls much better, is no longer flat in the higher gears and best of all I am now up to a 44 mpg average (42.7 pre-terraclean).

[JimC64]

Right time for a quick update, opened the bonnet of the beast up over the weekend and notice the air feed to the air box was not secured, it was missing its 2 securing screws and so the air feed had dropped down towards the rad blocking off at least half of it!
Since sorting that out the car has been much much better, pulls much better, is no longer flat in the higher gears and best of all I am now up to a 44 mpg average (42.7 pre-terraclean).


Thanks for taking the time to come back & reply A6.....much appreciated by all I'm sure :beerchug:

[gupsterg]

I linked a thread earlier in this one which showed my badly coked up intake plus my queries (Link:- Post 71 (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?135413-Terraclean-anyone&p=793186#post793186) ) ...

I also entered my postcode in the terraclean branch locator and there is one very local to me ...

At this moment in time I think I have a sticky EGR valve/faults in EGR system... I'm debating if I should go get a terraclean done...

Why:-

i) will be a good test to see if it solve my issue

ii) if it doesn't and I'm gonna remove the parts perhaps I can see the effects of terraclean

You see in Link:- Post 93 (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?135413-Terraclean-anyone&p=794301#post794301) I've outlined how they say it cleans "exhaust system" watch video link in post 93 point 2:30-2:35...

As the treated exhaust gas from terraclean will clean exhaust system even if EGR valve is closed due to high revs the treated exhaust gas will be entering connecting pipe from EG inlet and passing through EGR cooler ...

As I've said before when I cleaned the throttle body adapter I really couldn't see how terraclean would have done the same job on any coked part but I'm willing to keep open mind...

If I have time tomorrow will be going to pick the brains of the terraclean outlet :) ...

[JimC64]

Well if anyone will go to the ends of the earth and do a full on write up good or bad, I'd put money on you gup.

Look forward to your indepth report as usual mate :beerchug:

[rjsetford]

Just a quick update, I'm seeing a pretty consistent increase in performance and improvement in economy. Something in the back of my mind was telling me that the Terraclean effect wouldn't last but so far, so good.

I'm going to be interested to see what a difference going from Shell V-Power to V-Power Nitro Plus will make to economy. I have a full tank of V-Power petrol which will last around 600 to 620 miles so I'll keep an eye out for the new stuff once the tank starts approaching empty. I suspect it'll need two or three tank fulls of the new stuff to see any noticeable difference.

I swear by the V-Power fuel. It might cost more per litre but I get significantly better mpg so it actually works out cheaper per tank than the 'Fuel Save' by about 1p per mile. It all adds up.

Rich

[MarkTM]

Rich

I've only ever used supermarket cheapy diesel in my A6 q and have got 950 miles on a single tank and just below 54 MPG on refil (55.4 on tripometer) was all motorway though. Not really hoping to improve after my terraclean though but will let you know.

However in my supercharged MX5 (18PSI) I did notice a difference, however on that was port n polished with high lift cams, hayward and scott bespoke zaust, the best bit was that I had engine remapping where I could alter timing/trim/ignition from the cabin controller to take advantage of superfuels...I'd even run it on 110 RON racing fuel with sufficient advancement. That of course that was a lightweight 2 seater sportscar that could do 0-60 in circa 4.5 seconds, my Audi isn't :biglaugh:

[techfreak]

Phew, finally read through this.

Few questions:-

1) What parts does this actually clean?
2) what parts does it NOT clean?
3) where does the crap it has cleaned go?
4) anyone have a chemical analysis of what the actual stuff is?

[MarkTM]

To my knowledge top end fuel system so injectors, fuel rail and pipes..anything the fuel interacts with in your engine bay, the return valve's shut off so the fluid doesn't go back to the tank and as the engine is running it should clean out EGR and manifolds. Although am a little sceptical about the last two since at this stage it's surely just vapour?

[MarkTM]

So nothing for fuel pump/tank and pipes leading to the engine.

Am unsure if the fuel filter is left connected or not, regardless I'd personally change it after a terraclean.

[techfreak]

Found this:-

http://www.bikechatforums.com/download.php?id=88315

Is this the stuff? Can anyone decode the chemical names to say what it's in it - in plain english?

Interesting to compare it to products like forte, bg etc

This sounds like a vamped up fuel system cleaner of the above - how much more benefit would you get from this compared to just buying a bottle of forte/bg and running that through the system instead?

[MarkTM]

There are several varients it appears from this NA site

TerraClean (http://www.terraclean.net/service.php?ids=10)

[techfreak]

I'd be willing to use my motor as a donor if someone competent enough wants to do the necessary checks before and after? Can then document the whole thing for the world to see...

My nearest garage is about 30/45 mins away from me charging £100+vat for the clean plus £10+vat for an emissions test.

The skeptic in me says that if this really is THAT good then surely the cost of the company doing the necessary tests would be recouped in next to no time from the massive intake in sales...

For that price I could do about 5 treatments of bg244

(Not saying bg244 is any better or worse - just food for thought)

[c4a5er]

This sounds like a vamped up fuel system cleaner of the above - how much more benefit would you get from this compared to just buying a bottle of forte/bg and running that through the system instead?

It claims to be an engine decarboniser not a fuel system cleaner....also note it can only restore lost performance/economy so if it works it can only work on engines that are actually suffering from same due to excessive carbon deposits.

[techfreak]

It claims to be an engine decarboniser not a fuel system cleaner....also note it can only restore lost performance/economy so if it works it can only work on engines that are actually suffering from same due to excessive carbon deposits.

Sorry if I'm mistaken but my understanding of "fuel system cleaner" i.e. decarbonising (as one part of the process) is all things like forte/bg244/terra clean the only difference I've found is the way it's applied. Indeed they all claim many of the same benefits - just terraclean claims they're better (and more expensive) due to the way the treatment is applied.

If there is any merit in any of these company's claims then I'd like to know if terraclean is 5x better than bg244 or if the benefits last 5x longer to warrant the extra expense.

I'm willing to give it ago (at some stage) to see for myself but would like to physically see the difference as well as the emissions tests.

[JimC64]

I as quite a few others here have said, have "felt" the benefits after a Terraclean.....the car has seeemed smoother / more responsive and or given better mpg results.

I too would really like to see a before / after....that would be something and definitive for sure

[c4a5er]

If you see lost fuel economy restored then that should be definitive proof, no need to start stripping engines unnecessarily.
That said I guess it could be worth removing the egr connecting pipe after a treatment to see if it is clean inside or maybe use an endoscope in the inlet manifold.
I'm not sure anyone should rely on reports from people checking for an improvement in fuel consumption at this time of year when the rising temps or many other variables could equally be responsible for any difference.

[MarkTM]

How does


or maybe use an endoscope in the inlet manifold.

Equate with 'Taking things easy':confused:

Is it now a common item with car mechanics these days? :biglaugh:

[MarkTM]

Holy Moly Batman...now should I go and buy one...men and gadgets??

7MM USB Microscope Endoscope Borescope Inspection Video Camera Loupe Waterproof | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/7MM-USB-Microscope-Endoscope-Borescope-Inspection-Video-Camera-Loupe-Waterproof-/261158772054?pt=UK_BOI_Medical_Lab_Equipment_Medic al_Equipment_Instruments_ET&var=&hash=item3cce469d56)

Is 7mm small enough?

The expression 'disappearing up your own **** takes on a hole new meaning...now you can film it too!! :biglaugh:

[A6_MJM]

Time for another update, having now run through 2 tanks of shell V power since the terraclean and putting my air intake back together I am now getting 595 miles out of a tank where I used to get a shade over 500 (I always fill up when the warning light comes on).

Car pulls like an absolute train now, 4th gear now feels like 3rd and when going through the gears the car just pulls and pulls even in 6th, engine feels much free'er.

Also took a not so light footed trip down the M3 to Southampton at the weekend, 47.7 mpg, happy days!

Regards,
Martin

[Eshrules]

Time for another update, having now run through 2 tanks of shell V power since the terraclean and putting my air intake back together I am now getting 595 miles out of a tank where I used to get a shade over 500 (I always fill up when the warning light comes on).

Car pulls like an absolute train now, 4th gear now feels like 3rd and when going through the gears the car just pulls and pulls even in 6th, engine feels much free'er.

Also took a not so light footed trip down the M3 to Southampton at the weekend, 47.7 mpg, happy days!

Regards,
Martin

What fuel were you using prior the terraclean?

On a 70l tank, the increase from 500 to 595 represents an increase from 32.42mpg to 38.61mpg. Book figures show 44mpg combined - Are we safe to assume it's the same type of road being covered (i.e. urban vs motorway)?

[A6_MJM]

What fuel were you using prior the terraclean?

On a 70l tank, the increase from 500 to 595 represents an increase from 32.42mpg to 38.61mpg. Book figures show 44mpg combined - Are we safe to assume it's the same type of road being covered (i.e. urban vs motorway)?

Pre terraclean I was using supermarket fuel, basically whichever was cheapest which usual meant Sainsburys or Morrisions.

As I always fill up when the warning light comes on and having looked back through my receipts my average fill up is about 60l of fuel which is 37.85mpg pre terraclean and 45.01mpg after.

That's not a bad improvement, it's hard to tell how much of it is due to Shell V Power though so on the next tank of fuel I'll fill up at Sainsburys, that should show the difference terraclean can make.

Driving is always pretty much the same, weekly trips along a 60mph a road, a wee bit of town driving and a few blast down the same dual carriage way/motorway.

Regards,
Martin

[zollaf]

switching fuels can do a vast amount of good to an engine, so its quite possible the terraclean has reduced your mpg and the proper quality fuel has knocked it back up again. you would have to go back to supermarket fuel for a good few thousand miles to undo any good the proper fuel has done.
so to sum up, your results cannot be used as scientific evidence that terraclean is any good.

[A6_MJM]

I see your point but I'm pretty sure the loss of mpg after terraclean was due to the air intake being partially obscured by the rad.

Also the 500 miles per 60l of diesel is before terraclean and before I sent the car to the idiots that messed up the air intake (among other things).

Having only used 2 tanks of V power I'm pretty sure switching back to sainsburys fuel should still give an accurate representation of how effective the terraclean actually is.

Regards,
Martin

[Lawty12]

Hi I'm new to all this but I've just read about terraclean had it done 3 weeks ago had nothing but trouble since, smoking intermittent chugging been told the cleaning process might have highlighted a problem with my injectors which were perfectly working before treatment, now have to get my injectors tested at my expense could end up costing me a small fortune, nowhere on terracleans site does it say this could possibly happen very dissapointed would not recommend it if it ain't broke don't fix it I have a poorly a6 3.0 tdi v6 QuattroQuattro

[zollaf]

welcome to the forum.

[MarkTM]

Lawty

Welcome to the forum and nice to have a balancing post. I've no doubt that there will be instances of the process loosening a piece of crud that goes on to block sensitive injectors.

My own experiences of a Motorvac Carbonclean (same process as terraclean) some 7yrs ago was that it made a 30% emissions failed MOT into a 60% pass and every MOT since, albeit the last 2yrs have been with reduced annual mileage.

I've searched for similar terraclean tales of woe and have found only one, everyone else raves about it. So given the old saying that a complainant will tell 7 people whereas someone praising will tell a maximum of just 1 (admittedly before first used before the days of on-line forums!) I have to conclude that you are in a regrettably minority.

Yep it could well be snake oil but loads have used it to dramatically improve their emissions and pass an MOT with emperical and undisputable evidence (i.e. before and after MOT data).

Mine's been delayed until next week,but luckily I had an MOT pass last month so can use that emissions data to compare to their own...fingers crossed I'll not have any problems.

Regardless I do feel for you.:(

PS: What's your cars service history, how long have you had it when was the fuel filter last changed?
PPS: How long had the place you took it to been using the equipment?

[JimC64]

Lawty, sorry to hear your tale of woe my friend...... I feel for you, I really do.

I'm with Mark on this though.........How sure can you be that the Terraclean caused this and its not just coincidental?

Either way I do hope you get it fixed soon and at a good cost.

Goodluck

[MarkTM]

I had mine done today and sat out in the sunshine in Weston Super Mare while the job was done, total price for my 3.0TDi was £84.95 inc VAT

No great improvements to performance and too early to say on economy, would definately say it sounds/feels smoother though, they did a emissions fast pass and it scored 0.91 (previous MOT in March recorded 1.10 and the limit is 1.30) so pleased with a 17% improvement :D

They were definately surprised that it didn't smoke more on fast idle and asked if I used any fuel additives, when I mentioned Millers they nodded approvingly stating that's the one they recommend and probably the reason for my engine being so clean.

A thoroughly decent garage that is part of the 'good garage guide' I could see why as their customer skills were pretty darned good.

Got them to quote for fuel filter and glow plug change which was a mere £80+VAT (with me supplying the parts) so next jobs to be done sorted :biglaugh:

Some pics

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[JimC64]

Nice one Mark, sounds like a decent garage as you say.

I'm sure the glow plugs + fuel filter change will make differences too, when done....not a bad price either.

Hope to hear in future any comments you note as time goes on...

Thanks

[joshA6]

Saw discovery channel last night.
In a clever move, they got Ed China to star in an advert to launch the "Terraclean Challenge".

[MarkTM]

See first post of thread, first two links show Mr (Edd) China

FWIW I thought he's been supporting them for about a year.

I had my first Motorvac Carbonclean (same process & machine) back in 2006...strangely also an XK8

[JimC64]

Yep, I think Ed has been fronting for them for quite a while now.

I even saw this Terraclean challenge during an episode of Fifth Gear recently too.

[peter5205]

Hello to all, yes i am new on the forum, and joined as i had been google searching and this came up.
I was looking for as much info about terra clean as i am considering it.
I had a good read through this thread prior to joining.
Now, yes i drive a different car to most here, its a ST220.
Its 11yrs old now, and has covered 93k.
However i have looked after it, and over the years spent alot of money on it, such as basic wear and tear parts. It has done me no wrong, and keeps going. Pulls very well.
But thought when i had heard of terra clean, perhaps mine is a good choice.

Some of the concerns raised here i thought yes very good points indeed!
But then having seen what i have read by the many now who have done it, and what i have heard is all pretty positive.

The ST is giving me around 23 to 29 MPG that is general running around short runs etc.
I have owned the car since it was 1 year old an ex demonstrator. Its fairly quick car with alot of grunt for a ford. Using the Jag 3 litre V6 lump. With Jag brakes, chassis etc.

I have only heard of one other person owning a ST220 who has had Terra clean done all with positive feedback.
But have that concern if a large lump of carbon got into the cylinder it could cause damage.
Depsite what anyone may think of Ford, they are no where near as cheap as they used to be. And 220 is the most costly of the mondeo range.For parts etc.

Has there been any more update or feedback on this treatment from anyone ?

Btw i am not with Terra clean i just want to make that clear, and i saw the comment about another mondeo owner who posted here, but i simply am very interested, and i also saw a thread here by Jimc64 fixing his alloy. Really great job, and something i will now do myself.
I am a member of the ST owners club, and i find reading others what i can learn, and share.

Hope your all well, and look forward to plenty of reading and sharing.

[Kaiser2000]

There was a group buy on this through one of the Irish forums I use and I even signed up for it with my former 2.0 TDI Passat but a combination of availability and then an unexpected bill meant I had to cancel it.

Those who got it done though reported no concrete improvements beyond that they thought the car might have "felt" better afterwards. They said they'd wait n see and report back after a few weeks but strangely none of them ever did,
so for over €100 I don't think I missed out on much myself.

My 2c/2p anyway :)

[MarkTM]

Fair enough Kaiser, can only say that in the case of my Jag and my SC'd MX-5 two cars with emissions failures passed by some margin after a carbon-clean.

Now I'm no stupid and it wasn't the MOT testing station that did the clean, but they were surprised given I returned it to them for an emissions retest the next day. Prior to the initial tests I'd taken both cars out for the usual 'Italian tune-up' as I do prior to any MOT

€100 you say as a group buy? Sounds like a bit of a con, I paid less than that as a stand-alone visitor and my knowledge of group buys are that they always come out at at least 40% cheaper than to Joe Public. Or are prices typically 50% higher in Eire for services like this?

As to why you didn't hear anything...I guarantee that had something gone wrong after a clean you would have! :biglaugh:

[JimC64]

Hello to all, yes i am new on the forum, and joined as i had been google searching and this came up.
I was looking for as much info about terra clean as i am considering it.
I had a good read through this thread prior to joining.
Now, yes i drive a different car to most here, its a ST220.
Its 11yrs old now, and has covered 93k.
However i have looked after it, and over the years spent alot of money on it, such as basic wear and tear parts. It has done me no wrong, and keeps going. Pulls very well.
But thought when i had heard of terra clean, perhaps mine is a good choice.

Some of the concerns raised here i thought yes very good points indeed!
But then having seen what i have read by the many now who have done it, and what i have heard is all pretty positive.

The ST is giving me around 23 to 29 MPG that is general running around short runs etc.
I have owned the car since it was 1 year old an ex demonstrator. Its fairly quick car with alot of grunt for a ford. Using the Jag 3 litre V6 lump. With Jag brakes, chassis etc.

I have only heard of one other person owning a ST220 who has had Terra clean done all with positive feedback.
But have that concern if a large lump of carbon got into the cylinder it could cause damage.
Depsite what anyone may think of Ford, they are no where near as cheap as they used to be. And 220 is the most costly of the mondeo range.For parts etc.

Has there been any more update or feedback on this treatment from anyone ?

Btw i am not with Terra clean i just want to make that clear, and i saw the comment about another mondeo owner who posted here, but i simply am very interested, and i also saw a thread here by Jimc64 fixing his alloy. Really great job, and something i will now do myself.
I am a member of the ST owners club, and i find reading others what i can learn, and share.

Hope your all well, and look forward to plenty of reading and sharing.

Hi Peter, thanks for the post.

The ST220 is a great car, almost a classic now, my son in law had one and loved it......He now has the MK3 in ST Tdci form with the 2.2 diesel lump and loves it just as much. He's looking at a remap to improve even further on the torque available from this motor.

I'll leave it up to you to make your own mind up about the Terra clean..........there's plenty written about it for you to review.

Thanks for the mention on the alloy wheel refurb, much appreciated......with a little time n patience its a really easy fix to be honest!

Good luck and hope to hear either way.


There was a group buy on this through one of the Irish forums I use and I even signed up for it with my former 2.0 TDI Passat but a combination of availability and then an unexpected bill meant I had to cancel it.

Those who got it done though reported no concrete improvements beyond that they thought the car might have "felt" better afterwards. They said they'd wait n see and report back after a few weeks but strangely none of them ever did,
so for over €100 I don't think I missed out on much myself.

My 2c/2p anyway :)

There is for sure a "seat of the pants" improvement, at least there was for me!
I didn't have any real emmisions issues prior so don't have any record of any differrences in that area, but they are real and well documented.

As has already been stated by MarkTM.......In forum life not too many like us come back and report how good things were / are, we simply take them for granted and are happy that all is well.
However, when something goes wrong it is the British way and human nature in all of us to tell everyone we can.

Its your car & your decision, so as long as you're happy Kaiser thats all that really matters.

Best
Jim


Fair enough Kaiser, can only say that in the case of my Jag and my SC'd MX-5 two cars with emissions failures passed by some margine after a carbon-clean.

Now I'm no stupid and it wasn't the MOT testing station that did the clean, but they were surprised given I returned it to them for an emissions retest the next day. Prior to the initial tests I'd taken both cars out for the usual 'Italian tune-up' as I do prior to any MOT

€100 you say as a group buy? Sounds like a bit of a con, I paid less than that as a stand-alone visitor and my knowledge of group buys is that they always come out at at least 40% cheaper...or are prices typically 50% higher in Eire for services like this?

As to why you didn't hear anything...I guarantee that had something gone wrong after a clean you would have! :biglaugh:

Good points as always MarkTM...........especially the last sentence IMO

Cheers
Jim

[Eshrules]

Link to the Irish GB thread mentioned - ***Terraclean Group Deal*** - boards.ie (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056869778)

and an interesting response from a terraclean dealer

What is terraclean? (http://www.evo123.net/showthread.php?t=11129&p=116078&viewfull=1#post116078)

[MarkTM]

Esh, why is the dealers response inetresting? It's exactly what I'd expect.

Still don't understand why the process in Eire is significantly dearer than England. I called the garage that did mine and asked if them if I could get 10 cars done at the same time through a club I was in and asked him for his best price. He called me back and said £75 within a 10 mile radius of his place or £70 at his place, which is €81-€87 inc VAT. What's more if I got 15+ he'd do it for £65-£70 over two days.

[Sam]

Link to the Irish GB thread mentioned - ***Terraclean Group Deal*** - boards.ie (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056869778)

Apparently VW include the treatment as part of a service on a TSFi but they don't itemise it on the invoices. Audi use it too.

boards.ie - View Single Post - ***Terraclean Group Deal*** (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=83096105&postcount=243)

[MarkTM]

Esh that's an interesting bit of news

Has anyone seen a Carbonclean/Terraclean machine actually in a main dealer (VW or Audi)? They are pretty distinctive looking things TBH and not easy to hide.


As to the reason I had mine done on the Audi is because I bought a car with absolutely no service history with 79k on the clock, so have changed all the fluids/filters and the glowplugs . IMO just good insurance.

Reason I had it done on my Jag was I was having it LPG converted and had fitted brand new cleaned an calibrated injectors and iridium plugs and new packs

Reason I had the MX-5 done was I was having it SC'd with larger injectors and high lift cams as well as having the TC reworked

So in summary to have all cars running at their optimum :biglaugh:

[Kaiser2000]

Still don't understand why the process in Eire is significantly dearer than England. I called the garage that did mine and asked if them if I could get 10 cars done at the same time through a club I was in and asked him for his best price. He called me back and said £75 within a 10 mile radius of his place or £70 at his place, which is €81-€87 inc VAT. What's more if I got 15+ he'd do it for £65-£70 over two days.

That's easy.. everything (especially car related stuff) costs more here :(

[Sam]

Esh that's an interesting bit of news

Has anyone seen a Carbonclean/Terraclean machine actually in a main dealer (VW or Audi)? They are pretty distinctive looking things TBH and not easy to hide.

T'was I who posted, not Esh :)

Would VAG really use the treatment, in secret, and not bill you for it? I highly doubt there's a single grain of truth in it, but I'm prepared to eat my words.

[MarkTM]

^^^Sorry all Mods look the same to me, should have taken note of the 'Fro' though! :biglaugh:

Agree Sam, I don't think they do and that it was posted on that othr forum by someone trying to make a point.

[Sam]

^^^Sorry all Mods look the same to me, should have taken note of the 'Fro' though! :biglaugh:

Agree Sam, I don't think they do and that it was posted on that othr forum by someone trying to make a point.

Kinda why I posted it too - the whole thread appears to be split down the middle. On one side you have people who spent money and are trying to justify themselves and on the other you have the sceptics.

There's an interesting post in there from a sceptic who had it done and reported no changes at all. He put his money where his mouth is and came back to follow up.

There's also a few who have had it done and other than noticing their car now sounds like a V8 (Terraclean changes both the number of cylinders AND their orientation!), have noticed no changes at all.

I'm still holding out for some scientific proof. Maybe one day.

[gupsterg]

Apparently VW include the treatment as part of a service on a TSFi but they don't itemise it on the invoices. Audi use it too.


Would VAG really use the treatment, in secret, and not bill you for it? I highly doubt there's a single grain of truth in it, but I'm prepared to eat my words.

I posted a TSB / TPI about this way back page 4 post 39 which I seem to have deleted out of attachments Link:- Terraclean anyone?? - Page 4 (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?135413-Terraclean-anyone&p=735909#post735909)

So here it is again :) ...



Technical product information
Transaction No.: 478301/6


Cleaning of coked engine parts
Release date: 22-Apr-2008



Customer statement / workshop findings

All petrol engines. Cleaning of coked engine components (for example: inlet valves, combustion chambers, injectors).

Technical background

Carbon deposits on injectors, combustion chamber surfaces and in the intake system can result in severe running problems following cold starting and in loss of engine power. Tests have shown that coking is mainly caused by fuels and oils with inadequate amounts of additives.

Production change

No change.

Measure

A range of cleaning processes were tested, with the help of which coking deposits can be removed. The most effective method was found to be the injection of a cleaning mixture into the running engine.

In this process, the vehicle is connected to an external fuel circuit using pressure container V.A.G1938 and a suitable adapter for the vehicle fuel pipe. The pressure reservoir V.A.G 1938 is no longer available.

The cleaning equipment BEDI can be used instead. Please observe its operating instructions. The equipment is available from:

R.U.F
Friedhofstr. 5
67127 Rödersheim-Gronau
Tel. +49 6231 / 7390
Fax +49 6231 / 98531

E-Mail: info@lambdaglobal-deutschld.de

Internet: 404 Not Found (http://www.lambdaglobal-deutschld.de/eng_version)

The cleaning procedure is performed with the engine idling and takes about 30 minutes. In testing a range of cleaning agents, the best application results were achieved using products from the following manufacturers:

Injection System Purge, Order number 76602, Wynn´s Formula 766.

Available from:

Wynn´s Deutschland GmbH
Gothaer Straße 13
40880 Ratingen
Tel. No.: 0 21 02 - 48 03 00, Fax. No.: 0 21 02 - 48 03 10

Detergent for Petrol Systems Carbon Clean, Order number 400-0020 from Carbon Clean.

Available from:

Carbon Cleans Int.´l Distribution P. Reber Ch.
De Bellevue
CH-1423 Villars-Burquin
Tel. no.: 00 41 - 24 71 19 62, Fax. no.: 00 41 - 24 71 23 65

Lambda Injekt Otto - Article no. C100,
Lambda Service Tank Otto - Article no.: A100
Available from: R.U.F. Rep.- und Handels-GmbH W. Stephan
67127 Rödersheim-Gronau
Tel. No.: 0 62 31 - 73 90 or 9 85 46, Fax. No.: 0 62 31 - 9 85 31

Fuel additive for petrol engines, available under - Part No.: G 001 700.03

The cleaning agents have been developed specifically for the removal of coking deposits. There are slight differences in application and in cleaning efficiency. In the case of combustion chamber coking (e.g. inlet valves) slight advantages were evident when using Wynn's Lambda Global cleaner and Part No. G001 700.03.

In the case of coked injectors (reduced injection quantity with mileage), there was an advantage to using the cleaner from Carbon Clean.

• Important application instructions: The instructions of the cleaning agent manufacturers must always be observed! An engine oil change must be performed following the use of cleaning agents!

With the exception of Lambda Service Tank Otto and Part No.: G 001 700.03, the addition of cleaning agents to the petrol tank is strictly forbidden!

The preventive use of cleaning agents cannot be invoiced under warranty.

Customer information
---

[Sam]

Nice one Gup!

Seems they do use a cleaning process but instead opt to use Wynn's (http://www.wynns.be/Product.aspx?p=76695&g=GRP_PRO_FUEL) and Motorvac (> CARBONCLEAN 245 | MotorVac (http://motorvac.com/index.cfm?pagepath=TOOLS_EQUIPMENT/FUEL/__CARBONCLEAN_245&id=31883)) not Terraclean so the only thing I'll be eating is my lunch :)

[gupsterg]

I'm still on the fence about terraclean :Blush2:, I haven't been to my local terra.dealer ...

I'm keeping an open mind about it but people can view my manifolds in my EGR cleaning thread and I would think my valves/bores from swirl intakes to valves would also be heavily coked and I just feel it would be i) risky to use on mine ii) I know how hard it was for me to clean my throttle adapter and just can't see it dissolving the carbon away from the valves, etc ...

Has anyone got photos of a before and after?

[gupsterg]

I'm no longer thinking terraclean will do anything for my car ...

Why?

So the cleaner is going in via the fuel system ... as mine's a common rail engine the cleaner will pass through the fuel system blasted into the piston chamber only, then boom it's burned up ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_LahS5T3DM#at=37

The exhaust or air inlet valves are no even going to be touched by the cleaner ...

Are TerraClean saying that some how the product lasts the explosive combustion process and produces a gas which will clean the exhaust valves by just passing over them :confused: ...

Will the carbon in the piston chamber vaporise and float out from chamber with exhaust fumes and not cling to exhaust valves :confused: ...

Are people just feeling a better feel of car due to a placebo effect :confused: ...

I've blown too much £££ on new parts to now think terra clean will have any effect ...

So sorry fellow members I'm out :) ..

[MarkTM]

My understanding was Motorvac Carbon Clean and TerraClean are that they are exactly the same process.

In fact if you look at the pics of mine being done on this thread the machine states Motorvac Carbonclean on it but the detergent mix says Terraclean on the container. So am thinking it's only a rebranding exercise?

As to scientific evidence I have my two MOT emission fails and then passes within 48hrs without anything else being done excepting the Carbon/Terra clean.

I just think 'you pays your money and takes your choice'...or not.

[Sam]

My understanding was Motorvac Carbon Clean and TerraClean are that they are exactly the same process.

In fact if you look at the pics of mine being done on this thread the machine states Motorvac Carbonclean on it but the detergent mix says Terraclean on the container. So am thinking it's only a rebranding exercise?

Or it could be akin to filling an Evian bottle with tap water and selling it as Evian.

The machine/bottle could well (ha, a water joke!) be the same, but it's the product that's in question here.

But, again, as you've said, to each their own.

[zollaf]

As to scientific evidence I have my two MOT emission fails and then passes within 48hrs without anything else being done excepting the Carbon/Terra clean.


i have 2 of those as well, about 15 minutes apart. one failed, the other passed. the only thing added was an italian test drive. nothing else, no chemicals just some foot to the floor fun.

[JimC64]

Kinda why I posted it too - the whole thread appears to be split down the middle. On one side you have people who spent money and are trying to justify themselves and on the other you have the sceptics.

There's an interesting post in there from a sceptic who had it done and reported no changes at all. He put his money where his mouth is and came back to follow up.

There's also a few who have had it done and other than noticing their car now sounds like a V8 (Terraclean changes both the number of cylinders AND their orientation!), have noticed no changes at all.

I'm still holding out for some scientific proof. Maybe one day.



Its these kinda remark that gets things going Sam......

I know that I personally haven't been trying to "justify" anything to anybody, don't think anyone else here has either?

No offence intended to you Sam or anyone else for that matter, but no one here pays my mortgage, food bills etc etc so I don't have to justify anything I do to anyone.

All I have done is share my experience and my views on the subject after having it done to my car.

If others agree and want to take the process onboard then thats fine, if they don't then thats their choice, pure and simple...jeeesh

I haven't seen anyone anywhere either, saying that their car now sounds like a V8 after having the process completed on their vehicle, then again I haven't read through the whole thread, so maybe there is?
Perhaps you can point it out to me?

Put in simplistic non argumentative form....

Some of us have used the process and believe it to work / make a difference & some of us dont

[Sam]

Its these kinda remark that gets things going Sam......

I know that I personally haven't been trying to "justify" anything to anybody, don't think anyone else here has either?

No offence intended to you Sam or anyone else for that matter, but no one here pays my mortgage, food bills etc etc so I don't have to justify anything I do to anyone.

All I have done is share my experience and my views on the subject after having it done to my car.

If others agree and want to take the process onboard then thats fine, if they don't then thats their choice, pure and simple...jeeesh

I haven't seen anyone anywhere either, saying that their car now sounds like a V8 after having the process completed on their vehicle, then again I haven't read through the whole thread, so maybe there is?
Perhaps you can point it out to me?

Put in simplistic non argumentative form....

Some of us have used the process and believe it to work / make a difference & some of us dont


My comments were in relation to the thread on the Irish board Jim, not this thread or anyone here.

No offence taken here, my skin is much thicker than that :)

The V8 comments are here - boards.ie - View Single Post - ***Terraclean Group Deal*** (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=83340067&postcount=294)

If you feel it worked for you then that's all that matters, like you say it's your money not ours :)

[JimC64]

OMGG - Someone actually said that they thought their exhaust sounded like a V8?
Numpty

[MarkTM]

Mine did...but wait...it IS a V8 (the Jag this is!) :biglaugh:

[1966baz]

Hi everyone, an interesting read. I'm getting approx. 630 miles out of 73 litres of diesel which is 39- 40 mpg so surely earlier on in this discussion the mpgs are wrong or is it my poor maths. Cheers Nick.

[JimC64]

Some may have an 80 litre tank?

Your maths is spot on

[SlackerChris]

Some of you might remember I had a terraclean done on my 3.2. We took the intake off before and after cleaning. Standard Terracleaning didn't remove the carbon deposits. However, there is a new product and process coming from terraclean that is 'supposed' to remove all the carbon. My car is booked in for Thursday this week to have the new process done. I'll report back, including before and after photos, once it's all done.

[gupsterg]

Hi fellow members :) ,

This is not aimed at anyone :) .

We all have a choice in what we do :) .

I too wanted an easy solution to cleaning my intake/EGR system and there isn't one AFAIK :( .

Today I was scrapping away at the carbon in the top section of the manifold, I got to a point where the majority of it had been removed but there was the last layer left. I carried on scraping and sprayed intake with some WD40, the drier layer of carbon instantly soaked up oil and become this bubblegum like consistency glob.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRTNbxiTodY

Now I know what I'm thinking about other elements concerning coking and other's can make their own judgement, in my EGR/Intake clean up thread I will show more media of what I did and what my observations where :) .

ATB
G

[MarkTM]

Oooh mud pie...now't like it ;)

[Columbusracing]

Nice one Gup!

Seems they do use a cleaning process but instead opt to use Wynn's (http://www.wynns.be/Product.aspx?p=76695&g=GRP_PRO_FUEL) and Motorvac (> CARBONCLEAN 245 | MotorVac (http://motorvac.com/index.cfm?pagepath=TOOLS_EQUIPMENT/FUEL/__CARBONCLEAN_245&id=31883)) not Terraclean so the only thing I'll be eating is my lunch :)

Hey guys haven't read through the whole thread yet so i might have jumped the gun.
Wynns stuff is just a fuel additive in machine it does not have any real similarities with Terraclean. The Motorvac you linked is part of the Terraclean all of which are owned by Uview ultraviolet systems. The Motorvac is quite an old system tried and tested. Terraclean might not have been involved with the testing for Gups post as they are a Canadian company who do have a number of Canadian OE manufacturers/importers but to achieve accreditation in every country is a difficult job. As i said in another post Mercedes in Canada have been working closely with Terraclean to develop the Diesel EGR cleaning tool currently in the early release stages in the uk.

To the people who say there is no scientific evidence of this working i just found this trawling the web


So to understand a little more about the problems of increasing alcohol proportion of fuel in a running combustion engine ………

In North America, E10 Petrol (containing 10% ethanol, another form of alcohol) is quite common (only their Highest octane premium fuels do not contain ethanol while the rest are minimum 10%) and recently the EPA approved Ethanol blend of 15% and is considering 20%. Many in the industry were concerned of course about the ethanol content and engine damage (valves, carbon build-up, etc..). Now the attached study concludes that many engines in the existing car park would be damaged by E15 and the new US law should be reversed or modified to offer consumers a choice.

Ethanol also causes other fuel related problems. Because its lighter than petrol, you can get phase separation in the fuel tank (http://www.bizrate.com/fuel-tank/index__af_assettype_id--4__af_creative_id--3__af_id--[AFF-ID]__af_placement_id--[AFF-PLACEMENT-ID].html). The Ethanol sits on top. In addition, Ethanol is used as a way to control Octane as well as lower emissions. But it also creates problems in engines that were not originally designed to run on Ethanol blends. Ethanol is both corrosive and abrasive. The Terraclean fuel service certainly helps undo potential problems caused by its use. Use of ethanol fuels tends to increase carbon build-up on Lambda sensors and catalytic converters (http://motors.shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=catalytic+converters).

I have attached the above two graphs that show the results before and after a TerraClean service for the switch rate between MAP request and Lambda response these were recorded independently by Frank Massey at ADS in Preston and show the TerraClean service halving the snap acceleration. I’m not aware of a competitor’s product that can independently prove this level of lambda / oxegen sensor cleaning. PLEASE BE AWARE the car tested was a VW AXP engine where the Lambda is inverse i.e. up is lean and down is rich, this is the reverse of usual.
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i136/BuckMR2/lambdabeforeterraclean.jpg
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i136/BuckMR2/lambdaafterterraclean.jpg

As I understand it UK petrol currently contains 5% Ethanol, but can be up to 10% and that 10% will be the standard in 2013 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?toolid=10029&campid=CAMPAIGNID&customid=CUSTOMID&catId=6000&type=2&ext=310710636540&item=310710636540). So the real problems associated with Ethanol in petrol may be just starting in UK. E85 availability is still limited and more prevalent in the Southern USA. Strangely enough, they get a lot of carbon issues in areas like Texas and Florida where Ethanol content is highest and most available!

We stand by the TerraClean product and will happily put its results and long reaching benefits against any alternative treatments.

Also see Welcome to Terraclean (http://www.terraclean.co.uk) website and our facebook and twitter sites to learn more from other TerraClean users on those forums.



To those who don't know Frank massey is a nationally acclaimed "Master technician" who runs one of the premier automotive training academy's in the UK. He did do some research showing that injector duration can be decreased using Terraclean - ie the injectors efficiency is restored so the required air fuel ratio can be achieved with smaller injector duration.
I will have a go tomorrow at getting hold of the official data frank recorded from Terraclean uk if anyone doubts the integrity of the above information.
I did find his Autoinform video but there no real technical aspect to that so i'll try and get the official information.
I thought it was quite fitting that the car in the testing is a VW lol.

The Terraclean diesel and petrol systems work in similar ways but use very different technologies i have heard the full technical explanation from Uview's Les Polowsky and it definately works. As per usual misconception is the main cause of rumours.

The Terraclean petrol system was originally developed as a Emissions Free fuel but was deemed to be non-economically viable due to cost of fuel production. When the test engines were stripped down they were found to be spotlessly clean and free of carbon deposits. The re-engineering of the system started from there with it being developed to be a service item rather then an instant cure.
A Terraclean service is not designed to remove all carbon instantly you would need to run on Terraclean fuel at all times to achieve that and you'd be better off smoking £50 notes lol.
The idea being that the service reduces carbons effect on combustion and fuel delivery/post combustion sensors improving mpg restoring performance and in most cases improving emission quite drastically.The system is designed to used as a yearly service to help contain carbon levels while most dealers are advising a Terraclean with your Major service to keep costs down unless you do mega mileage.

If you look closely at all Terraclean images in the UK the diesel machine is a blue Motorvac machine :
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/598941_316626378440450_1030525247_n.jpg


(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/598941_316626378440450_1030525247_n.jpg)

[gupsterg]

Great info :) ... I posted the VAG info to show that VAG have/used something similar to Terraclean, sorta like to add weight to that perhaps Terraclean does work ...

I have seen the Frank Massey video :) and lots of his other Autoinform videos. When my idling issue was at its worst I searched on-line where I could book car in with him. Luckily through the help from VWAF plus other info and his videos (which are very good :approve:) I got to the bottom of it.

As you know I've manually cleaned some parts of my intake and replacing some bits of EGR but I believe my air inlet valves must be terribly coked from what I saw in the swirl manifolds just above them, when I do replace swirl manifold/intake/EGR I will photograph the inlet openings on cylinder head and if the EGR specific Terraclean is out by then I maybe up for it :) ...

I blinking seem to be doing the hokey cokey on this Terraclean thing :D ...

[MarkTM]

Clearly Gup you need to wait for this new fandangled process that's coming out.

Would be useful if we knew where those 'trial' centres are? We do know there's one in/near Aldershot but haven't heard back from SlackerChris yet :(

[Columbusracing]

Hi Mark i have asked if i'm aloud to release the details of the "Test Centres" the powers that be will make that decision if you were to use the Terraclean.co.uk website enquiry form and specifically ask for a EGR cleaning depot they should be able to point you in the right direction.
I have been informed that not all the dealers with the new equipment are in the North east which is nice :) If i am allowed to let you guys know where these dealers are i will. But in the interest of fairness Terraclean don't want me to tell you there is one in say aldershot and everyone try to go the that depot. They would like to give exposure to your local dealer rather then everyone heading for one specific dealer if you get my meaning. Also this product is still in its testing stage for the UK market so they are being a little hushed about things.

This info below is from the Terraclean Trade pack its pretty much the stuff i posted earlier with a little extra showing the effects in diesel injectors.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/s720x720/992864_1389048444640481_2068970387_n.jpg

[Sam]

Do you have any connection to TerraClean?

[MarkTM]

Columbus

I used to be a product manager as such I'm pretty sure this isn't a trial but a phased launch.

Even just an idea of:

1) When it will be rolled out (between x and y)?
2) Will it use the existing machines?
3) Will it connect differently?
4) Approx price points?
5) Length of treatment process?
6) Will is supercede the existing Terraclean process?

All these are answerable and it can't be that the owners want to treat it like a 'dark art' as those waiting in the UK have long grown out of those types of games :)

[Columbusracing]

Do you have any connection to TerraClean?

Yes i am a dealer

[Sam]

Yes i am a dealer

That explains your posts above then :)

If you wish to promote yourself and/or your services, please follow the correct channels - details here (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/forumdisplay.php?3-Forum-Rules-amp-Regulations)

Thank you.

[Columbusracing]

Columbus

I used to be a product manager as such I'm pretty sure this isn't a trial but a phased launch.

Even just an idea of:

1) When it will be rolled out (between x and y)? Its not mandatory for all dealers to offer the EGR Cleaner all those who have signed up will have the technology as soon as it arrives in the country.
2) Will it use the existing machines? No - seperate device and adapter completely seperate piece of equipment to the petrol/diesel machines. A completely new chemical has been developed for use in the system.
3) Will it connect differently? Yes every car has different egr systems so the technicians will have to work out the method for each individual vehicle/system.
4) Approx price points? Will depend on complexity of system (hence trial period to see how much is needed to do certain cars etc. So that an approximate price point can be developed.
5) Length of treatment process? Once again depends on the system and access - system is designed to need minimal disassembley but some will still be neccessary - ie gaining access to egr coolers etc.
6) Will is supercede the existing Terraclean process? No - this is a seperate system to combat the problems associated with the increased diesel emissions criteria and clogging from egr deposits - failed egr will lead on to dpf failures, clogged manifolds leads to decreased air to fuel ratio which can cause increased sooting (lack of turbo lots of black smoke similar idea) All these are answerable and it can't be that the owners want to treat it like a 'dark art' as those waiting in the UK have long grown out of those types of games :)

Hey mark you are right as you say phased launch :) but also still a testing phase to gain a pricing strategy.

Hope the above answers help i don't have the equipment yet but i am on the waiting list for the EGR cleaner. As i have no personal experience of the equipment yet i can't offer a huge amount more but will do my best to answer your queries. I do have plenty of experience with the petrol and diesel fuel system decarbonisers if you have any questions.

Obviously Terraclean aren't going to divulge the ingredients for the their systems for someone like the chinese to make a poor quality copy of but any information you want i'm sure we can help with.
cheers

[Columbusracing]

That explains your posts above then :)

If you wish to promote yourself and/or your services, please follow the correct channels - details here (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/forumdisplay.php?3-Forum-Rules-amp-Regulations)

Thank you.

I am not promoting myself as i have said i don't have the equipment to offer this service as of yet but i offered the information as it may be helpful to members on here who are experiencing egr related problems.

I haven't promoted myself at all i have just supplied information as there is a discussion about Terraclean here i thought it might be worthwhile having some info from someone who is familiar with the system. Rather then the usual forum banter which is assumption and improvised knowledge.

I feel that Terraclean don't supply enough technical information for the general public not everyone is clueless about how their car works and i was just trying to bring more technical information to light.

Sorry for any problem the above information has caused you :)

I haven't even mentioned my company name or the location of the workshop so i am not fishing for free advertising.

[gupsterg]

I haven't even mentioned my company name or the location of the workshop so i am not fishing for free advertising.
I agree :approve: and really appreciate your input :beerchug: ...


Do you have any connection to TerraClean?

In a way Sam, Columbus could be putting himself in bad position with Terraclean to share info :dunno: and that fact should not be overlooked, so I think really great to have a dealer on board ....

[gupsterg]

3) Will it connect differently?

I think it will connect differently due to how current Terraclean is going through fuel system not EGR/charge air system ...


6) Will is supercede the existing Terraclean process?

I think the two will co exist either as an and/or package depending on what consumer want ...

[Columbusracing]

I agree :approve: and really appreciate your input :beerchug: ...



In a way Sam, Columbus could be putting himself in bad position with Terraclean to share info :dunno: and that fact should not be overlooked, so I think really great to have a dealer on board ....

You quite right Gup i'm probably gonna get a flogging for the info i have put up but i don't care as i feel the public need to know how and why Terraclean will help them.

[Columbusracing]

I think it will connect differently due to how current Terraclean is going through fuel system not EGR/charge air system ...



I think the two will co exist either as an and/or package depending on what consumer want ...

Hit the nail on the head there Gup :)

Both are seperate services the egr system is fed directly to the effected areas and the medium is a foamed chemical which is only suitable for compression ignition engines so not petrol engines.

[Sam]

I am not promoting myself as i have said i don't have the equipment to offer this service as of yet but i offered the information as it may be helpful to members on here who are experiencing egr related problems.

I haven't promoted myself at all i have just supplied information as there is a discussion about Terraclean here i thought it might be worthwhile having some info from someone who is familiar with the system. Rather then the usual forum banter which is assumption and improvised knowledge.

I feel that Terraclean don't supply enough technical information for the general public not everyone is clueless about how their car works and i was just trying to bring more technical information to light.

Sorry for any problem the above information has caused you :)

I haven't even mentioned my company name or the location of the workshop so i am not fishing for free advertising.

You're a TerraClean dealer posting in a thread about TerraClean but you don't feel you're promoting?

By all means add information you feel is useful, but perhaps make it clear you have a vested interested in the topic of discussion.


In a way Sam, Columbus could be putting himself in bad position with Terraclean to share info :dunno: and that fact should not be overlooked, so I think really great to have a dealer on board ....

Thanks Gup, I agree and had he done so as an enduser then great, I'm all for freedom of information, but he's posting as a dealer and rules are rules.

Granted there's no out and out "Come and see me for a TerraClean" advertising, but it doesn't take a genius to join the dots.

I'm only doing what I've been asked to do by Stuart.

[Columbusracing]

You're a TerraClean dealer posting in a thread about TerraClean but you don't feel you're promoting? I am promoting terraclean by making genuine information available not promoting my business but Terraclean UK. If someone wants a Terraclean i have already said contact Terraclean UK and they will put you in touch with your local dealer. I'm not trying to poach business i would rather the brand is viewed accurately hence my posts

By all means add information you feel is useful, but perhaps make it clear you have a vested interested in the topic of discussion.

A couple of posts ago you asked am i affiliated and i said YES i am not hiding anything or promoting myself as a business.

Thanks Gup, I agree and had he done so as an enduser then great, I'm all for freedom of information, but he's posting as a dealer and rules are rules. Taken on board i will say no more as it breaches forum rules

Granted there's no out and out "Come and see me for a TerraClean" advertising, but it doesn't take a genius to join the dots.
There a hundreds of dealers around the country i am not trying to pull all the business to myself that is selfish and unfair. I would encourage those interested in the systems to go through the proper channels By calling or sending enquiries to Terraclean UK. - NOT ME.

I'm only doing what I've been asked to do by Stuart.Fair enough i respect that


Once again i appologise for breaching forum rules - but i do feel a discussion is worthless if the people behind the item in question are not allowed to express there feelings and evidence and only speculators and critics are allowed to discuss.
Thats end of - i'll keep my head down again lol
cheers ears

[gupsterg]

Thanks Gup, I agree and had he done so as an enduser then great, I'm all for freedom of information, but he's posting as a dealer and rules are rules.

The info he is providing only a dealer can share IMO, we have lots of posts from endusers and other than stating 'I feel' a difference there is nothing with pics or data I or perhaps sceptics would like ...


... but it doesn't take a genius to join the dots.

I think that is a unfair comment being put to Columbus :( , his user name is not his company name, his address/email is not stated anywhere, private messages can be monitored by mod team/Stuart and thus if he was receiving or sending request for work you would know ...


I'm only doing what I've been asked to do by Stuart.

I understand there are and need to be rules but I really don't think he is advertising himself or promoting himself but giving info on Terraclean which can be seen as promoting himself but as he has stated people will be directed by Terraclean UK to a dealer close to them not him ...

In Link:- post 194 (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?135413-Terraclean-anyone&p=830282#post830282) I stated I knew a dealer close to me, Columbus is not that dealer ...

Has anyone from VWAF team got any tech info from Terraclean UK? do you think one of us sceptics or VWAF Team can/will contact them and try to get like a tour/info?


i do feel a discussion is worthless if the people behind the item in question are not allowed to express there feelings and evidence and only speculators and critics are allowed to discuss.

I agree :approve: ...


Thats end of - i'll keep my head down again lol
cheers ears

I for one feel :sadwavey:....

[Sam]

You're right, who am I to stand in the way of rules and progress.

Feel free to discuss whatever you so desire, I'm out, go nuts.

[gupsterg]

who am I to stand in the way of rules and progress.

Come on Sam that's not what I'm saying or implying ...

[JimC64]

Great info :) ... I posted the VAG info to show that VAG have/used something similar to Terraclean, sorta like to add weight to that perhaps Terraclean does work ...

if the EGR specific Terraclean is out by then I maybe up for it :) ...

I blinking seem to be doing the hokey cokey on this Terraclean thing :D ...

Lol...I'm sure you're not alone in this Gup.....I have a feeling that many are going back n forth on this and will continue to do so for some time.

Just for the record, I'm now at 106k miles and don't report the clouds of black smoke when under heavy acceleration like some do, still running pretty sweet tbh
Thats around 11k miles and amost a year to the day later

[gupsterg]

Just for the record, I'm now at 106k miles and don't report the clouds of black smoke when under heavy acceleration like some do

I gotta admit yesterday I was doing some tests on my car by fully pressing throttle to floor and I get heavy black smoke on heavy acceleration and it makes me feel :o. My EGR system is currently disabled, it still needs the cleaned intake/swirl manifolds and EGR parts fitting. My car has not had Terraclean, it has done 85K is a 3.0 TDi V6, under my ownership in 15K/2yrs miles it's had 2 oil changes and will in days have third plus 2nd fuel filter & air filter ...

New parts since owning for context of smoke/servicing:-

i) full new set of injectors
ii) engine removed and all timing chains, tensioners & guides done plus associated fluids and gas
iii) new throttle unit
iv) new MAF
v) new EGR pressure converter unit
vi) it does not have a DPF from factory, only a CAT

As I have to remove bumper to sort the leaking headlight washer pipes I will be double checking charge air hoses and intercoolers but MVB for charge air pressure air is correct on my car. The MAP sensor is located on the last intercooler before throttle. Item 35 is MAP, item 1 is last intercooler, turbo charge air output is at hose item 27 and last hose is 17 connecting to throttle Link:- http://www.jimellisaudiparts.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_assembly=750912&ukey_make=1081&ukey_model=15625&modelYear=2010&searchString=charge%20air

[Columbusracing]

hey gup just a thought but does the commercial garage you use have a smoke tester (smoke pro/smoke wizard/vapour check) or intercooler tester they can pressure check your car with to eliminate possible boost leaks etc. I think you've already found the main fault but worth covering all the bases.

[gupsterg]

Yep they have kit like that :) , will be giving them a shout soon :D , light to medium acceleration is no issue ...

Perhaps it's normal but :dunno: never had a diesel with this kinda BHP/CC ...

Will be doing a new thread as soon as can rope the wife into making a movie of me driving car up/down a road as without it my interpretation of level of smoke could be wrong ...

Any way chat soon mate :D and hopefully meet you soon in the offline world ;) ...

[stuart]

At the end of the day the site has strict rules on ANY form of advertising... the site is paid for by the valued companies that advertise and PAY to promote and advise members.... Without them the site will be no more...

The problem is we have a few, members and companies think it's ok to just ignore the rules... the team act on these rules, and I stand behind them....

[MarkTM]

Am assuming it's this thing?

http://www.terraclean.net/product.php?id=57

Notice the last one on the list?

Although it's an American site it's seems to be 'out there' am guessing that the company just needs to convince garages in the UK to buy it.

I'll ring around a few tomorrow and find out if any have them yet :)

[gupsterg]

Yep that is the one ... it is in the UK, I believe SlackerChris is getting it done ...


Some of you might remember I had a terraclean done on my 3.2. We took the intake off before and after cleaning. Standard Terracleaning didn't remove the carbon deposits. However, there is a new product and process coming from terraclean that is 'supposed' to remove all the carbon. My car is booked in for Thursday this week to have the new process done. I'll report back, including before and after photos, once it's all done.

Now you see as Terraclean std go via fuel it did not remove carbon from intake ... be great to read SlackerChris update ...

Also if you view video on this link ...


...Motorvac (> CARBONCLEAN 245 | MotorVac (http://motorvac.com/index.cfm?pagepath=TOOLS_EQUIPMENT/FUEL/__CARBONCLEAN_245&id=31883)) ...

Motorvac system also have different adapters/treatments for differing sections of engine ...

[mjhamilton]

Lots to take in on this thread but no real answers - my BBK engine has done 78k and I am tempted to get one of these processes run as it is not an FSI so in theory everything should get a clean and decoke

Is there anyone who has gone through with this and can report back facts and good things or is it a load of old nonsense???? for the V8 it's £126 so it is not a small amount of money but if it can booth MPG as implied this could be made back over time

[mjhamilton]

no one??... :(

[SlackerChris]

The C6s were only fitted with FSI variations of the 4.2 and 3.2 (I think I'm right in saying that), so you might not get a lot of luck in this thread. Might be worth posting in the appropriate forum for your model.

[Brycie]

All the info & findings people have, have been put down in the thread already.

We (when I say we, I mean mycarsavw) also did a speculative and rough cost/benefit analysis where iirc, we worked out that based on £90 per treatment, the purported increase in mpg & how long the effects are supposed to last, the treatment just about works out economical. The figures are in this thread somewhere though

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[gupsterg]

no one??... :(

For me this thread has become the Mary celeste :( ...

So for that reason only will view :( ...

[mjhamilton]

I can't help feel I stepped in something by walking into this thread :(

Thought I would instead of starting a new one

Will open one on the 4.2 section and see what happens

[Brycie]

Lol, this Terraclean treatment is a contentious issue indeed, some won't entertain it & some want to give it a chance.

[MarkTM]

Lol, this Terraclean treatment is a contentious issue indeed, some won't entertain it & some want to give it a chance.

You forgot some have had it done and report improvements to economy and emissions...well that was my experience. :)

[bops6]

When I get my car back from the tuners I'm might get it done then stick it back on the dyno and that will really show if it works

[Brycie]

Very true Mark. Unfortunately apart from you & one or two others, the majority of people who joined in the debate on the pro-Terraclean side seemed to come from nowhere to comment on it & were never seen again. Which makes the issue seem a little suspicious. It's almost as if Terraclean are advertising by shadows & whispers on forums rather than promoting it in the usual way. Then factor in the fact that a well known motor enthusiast promotes it & is later found to be one of the backers & you can understand why the whole thing makes people suspicious.

Despite all this, I'm still on the fence until a neutral party does before & after telescopic camera thingies to show the difference it's made.

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[zollaf]

i just want a cupful of the magic fluid they use to remove baked on carbon in 12 seconds flat. you could use it to clean turbo's and inlet manifolds rather than having to use a jackhammer. mr muscle works a bit, as do some other chemicals but you just can't beat fire, thats the only way to truly get rid of it. so what terraclean use must be from outer space or so top secret that no one other than ed china know what its made of.

[mjhamilton]

Magic fluid = unicorn tears

[MarkTM]

When I get my car back from the tuners I'm might get it done then stick it back on the dyno and that will really show if it works

Bops, am dubious you'll see any improvement, I saw lower emissions and greater economy which don't really seem to be your priorities.

[decarbon8]

There is no so called magical fluid in the terraclean system it is a modified and refined gasoline which can be seen from the fuel datasheets, what it does do is fractionalize the carbon deposits by charging the refined fuel with a negative charge as its passing through the terraclean machine, when it reaches the cars combustion chamber the negatively charged fuel atoms are attracted to the positively charged carbon atoms when the two come in contact it oxidizes the carbon and turns it into a vapour which is then expelled via the exhaust.

I know people will think I am posting this because I have an invested interest but I'm a car enthusiast like many of you are, I've had many vag caqrs over the years including golfs, corrado's and scirrocos then went to the dark side and bought a nissan skyline 8 years ago which I sold a couple of months ago. I'm now running a c5 S6 4.2 v8 avant, first on the list of things to do to it was do a terraclean as it has now covered over 170k, it was running 14.8mpg avg when I bought it, had the emissions tested to get a baseline, since doing the terraclean mpg has gone upto 23.4 avg over 1.5k miles distance, emissions wise after I got them checked again hydrocarbons have been reduced by over 50% (85ppm down to 25ppm) and also co% output at idle test was also reduced by nearly half (0.030 down to 0.016%)

I haven't found any other fuel treatment products that actually do what they claim to do as well as the terraclean

[zollaf]

i run an audi 80 tdi with 317k miles on the clock. when i bought it it was averaging 32mpg and blowing 2.5 l/m on the opacity meter. after applying my own formula of fuel additive the average mpg went up to 130mpg and the emissions went down to .18 l/m. i think thats a pretty good result myself.
i don't offer this additive to the general public but i think i should.

[c4a5er]

since doing the terraclean mpg has gone upto 23.4 avg over 1.5k miles distance,

Mmmm..........a 58% improvement in mpg....quite a claim...you sure there aren't other things contributing to the change besides this treatment?

[decarbon8]

i run an audi 80 tdi with 317k miles on the clock. when i bought it it was averaging 38mpg and blowing 2.2 l/m on the opacity meter. after applying my own formula of fuel additive the average mpg went up to 49mpg and the emissions went down to .78 l/m. i think thats a pretty good result myself.
i don't offer this additive to the general public but i think i should.

That is a good result, bet your concoction was petrol based kerosene perhaps? While it may have worked its probably not all that safe long term, fine if your doing it to your own car though, the terradiesel formula mv3d is tested and approved and safe to use carrying all the correct levels of lubrication so no damage to any of the vital seals in the engine/pumps, bet you cant say the same!